Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anarchism vs. anarcho-capitalism

This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was ambiguous.

I count 8 clear "delete" votes. I count 6 "keep" votes but three of those were problematic. The anon voter got an id, behaved consistently and shows no evidence of sockpuppetry. I counted his/her vote. I did not grant the same benefit of the doubt to the probable troll. Nat Kraus's opinion was impossible to determine. He explicitly voted "keep" at the top of the list but endorsed deletion at the end. I was forced to consider his vote as too ambiguous to call. That leaves the decision at 8 to 4.

To further complicate matters, it was partially rewritten on 3 June (well after the discussion period ended) to make it more neutral. I am going to call this one as a "no concensus" which defaults to keep for now.

I will add my own opinion that this is not the right place for this content. Despite the current length of the Anarcho-capitalism article, this content belongs on that page. The two articles should be edited until it can fit. Rossami (talk) 01:01, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anarchism vs. anarcho-capitalism

• Delete - Full of POV written only by anarcho-capitalists/ORIGINAL RESEARCH - max rspct 16:33, 20 May 2005 (UTC) (maybe we should have a wiki-debating-chamber-project)
• Keep or Merge with Anarchism and Capitalism. It's conjecture that it was written by anarcho-capitalists. One who edits an article about anarcho-capitalism isn't necessarily an anarcho-capitalist. Even if it is written by anarcho-capitalists, that should not matter. If it's written POV, then that's what the "edit this page" button is for. RJII 17:43, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Incidentally, it's not true that this page was written entirely by partisans of one side. Most of the second paragraph, at least, was written by User:23x, an anti-anarcho-capitalist edit warrior. This page was created as a break-out from the anarcho-capitalism article, for the purpose of cutting down on size and making that article flow better. Its existence should be entirely a question of what the most expedient placement of this information is (although it might be better with a different title). I think it kind of conflates two different issues by including both the "a-c vs. rest of modern anarchism" issue and the "disputed ties to 19th century individualists" issue. But that, as RJII say, is a problem that you solve with the Edit button. - Nat Krause 18:58, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I'm not to keen on the title either. Maybe it should be moved. RJII 19:00, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete POV and it's not really a comparison anyway, just a list of things that "anarcho-capitalists" believe. Or merge any worthwhile info into Anarcho-capitalism. Stancel 20:18, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete! Irrelevant, POV, and not worth comparison. Comparison is for things that are similar, they are not similar. Vote to delete! --Fatal 22:00, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Needs some cleanup and a more encyclopedic title. Klonimus 22:06, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and for reason's sake Don't Merge with anarcho-capitalism article. 66.94.94.154 22:48, 20 May 2005 (UTC) (Saswann 00:41, 25 May 2005 (UTC))
• Comment The single biggest problem with Wikipedia is that some topics are filled with POV disputes that never end. This is one of them. This VfD and the problems addressed therein are only symptoms of this larger problem. — Phil Welch 22:51, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, we don't need articles comparing every subject to every other subject. Although Apples vs. oranges would be kind of neat. --W(t) 23:01, 2005 May 20 (UTC)
  • The whole point of having this page -- or addressing the subject elsewhere -- is that some people are afeared that the one will be confused with the other. Certainly, if there was a chance that people would get the impression that apples and oranges were the same, it would make more sense to have an article or section discussing the differences. - Nat Krause 02:13, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Delete - To be honest I'm tempted to say keep it purely to keep the argument in one place. But I agree with the above comment. --JiFish 00:33, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - This appears to be a significant ideological conflict, as judged from all the heat it's caused on the various anarchism-related articles here. Maybe it can actually serve its intended function of getting some of the acrimony away from the other articles. *Dan* 00:45, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Agree. Klonimus 04:38, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete or Merge into Anarcho-Capitalism article. Says nothing new. --albamuth 18:04, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
• keep this please Yuckfoo 02:52, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, far too many pages are already being wasted on this. It is important in the context of ancap claims, but not important enough to warrant its own article. Trim to one or two paragraph and reinsert into the ancap article, where it belongs.-- Revolutionary Left | Che y Marijuana 10:53, May 23, 2005 (UTC) (sorry, I forgot to sign at first)
• Delete - As was said above, this is not really a comparisan of the two, more like an advertisement for just one, anarcho-capitalism. Its also pointless as much of this has and could be said on the anarchism and anarcho-capitalism pages themselves. Seems like an unncessary extension of the debate. Delete -CunningLinguist 07:49, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
• Comment How about merging with Anarchism and capitalism? 66.94.94.154 12:45, 24 May 2005 (UTC) (Saswann 00:41, 25 May 2005 (UTC))
  • Too dissimilar - why don't u create an account name? (if your serious about wikipedia) - max rspct 12:49, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment loging in is a pain 66.94.94.154 19:32, 24 May 2005 (UTC) (um, see? Saswann)
      • It may be a pain, but it's necessary for voting. You need to sign the votes you made above or they don't count, and you need to vote only once, and qualify the rest as comments. You voted twice above I think, without logging in.-- Revolutionary Left | Che y Marijuana 23:24, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
        • Comment is that better? (The second wasn't a vote, but a suggestion on what to do with this if it decides to hang around.) Saswann 00:41, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
          • Much better, I'm just trying to make things easier for you, because it is common practice to dismiss anonymous votes. You don't need to put "comment" on the replies you put, just freestanding comments that aren't indented and could be misconstrued as a vote :P-- Revolutionary Left | Che y Marijuana 07:04, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
• Comment Anyway, my point is that this was removed out of the anarcho-capitalism article because of length (like anarcho-capitalist literature and crypto-anarchism) so it shouldn't merge back there. Saswann 20:47, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Forget rewrite it may as well get deleted. starting with the title and then.. Each paragraph (5) - starts with anarcho-capitalism except 4 which has 'other anarchists' just before. Tis created by and is the jot-pad of anarcho-caps who can't get their un-encyclopedic POV ramblings into other articles. -max rspct 23:18, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Personally, I would be happy to see this material deleted. - Nat Krause 04:44, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

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