Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ana Rocha

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. W.marsh 13:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ana Rocha

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Prod contested by an editor who should realise that wrestling fan sites are not reliable sources. Non notable minor league wrestler, no evidence of multiple independent non-trivial reliable sources. There's this article but it's impossible for an encyclopedic article to be created from that. Fails WP:BIO, and WP:V due to the lack of reliable sources. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 10:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

• Undecided She has not been limited to just one wresting promotion, and has wrestled throughout the South and Eastern US, so she isn't just a "one promotion wrestler." Another thing is she has wrestled in the #3 promotion in the US, but it doesn't seem to have been more than a couple matches, so her notability there is questionable. I'd say that the links and suggested reading would more than substantiate the content of the article, so I would disagree that it fails WP:V, but I'm undecided on WP:BIO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theophilus75 (talk • contribs)
• Keep. Ana Rocha has been the subject of at least two news articles, one for the Boston Globe and another for South Coast Today, I believe this establishes her notability as per WP:BIO. Besides making significant appearances in IWA Mid-South, Ring of Honor and the National Wrestling Alliance as well as her feuds with several notable female wrestlers such as Mercedes Martinez, April Hunter and Riptide, hardly classify her as a "minor league wrestler". I should also note the interview was added as an "external link" along with other wrestling websites as opposed to a cited reference. MadMax 22:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment The Boston Globe article is trivial coverage, and therefore insufficient to establish notability, as would be clear to everyone else if you had the decency to link to it. The rest of your argument is typical wrestlecruft, yet again notability guidelines are at WP:BIO. The promotions you have listed above are minor league, the average IWA-MS shows are attended by less than 100 people. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 12:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. First the Boston Globe article supports the claim that Ana Rocha is a leading female wrestler among others wrestling in the United States (please note the headline "Glam Slam: Taking Their Place In The Ring, These Women Are Winning Devoted Wrestling Fans", Rocha is one of those female wrestlers the article is in reference to). Second, as I found the article though a subscription service, I did not cite the article as a reference but added it under "further reading". If you'll check the history, the article was under "further reading" at the time of its nomination. Could you please provide a source supporting your claims that IWA Mid-South's wrestling events are in fact regularly attended by less than 100 people and that Rocha has performed at these specific events ? And if so, while you may bring us such points in nominating IWA Mid-South, I'm not sure how this effects Rocha's individual notability as she's wrestled for several other notable promotions besides IWA Mid-South. MadMax 19:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I fail to see how the headline supports your claim that she is a leading female wrestler, and if she was surely you'd be capable of providing multiple independent non-trivial reliable sources? I checked the history, you're the person claiming that the article means she passes WP:BIO, when it isn't a non-trivial source. If you choose not to provide direct links to sources that are available, I will be happy to do so to prove the sources are not as claimed and are being used in a dishonest manner. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 12:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

• Week keep based on cited newspaper articles, but clean up regarding in-universe issues per WP:WAF. JulesH 17:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete for defeating the love of my life, Mercedes Martinez (don't tell the girlfriend I said that) ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 19:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete for not passing WP:BIO; Boston Globe article mentioned above is trivial at best, while the article from South Coast Today doesn't really prove any notability, only trivial facts, and nothing to prove her notable enough to pass WP:BIO. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 02:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep The newspaper articles assert notability, but article is in dire nede of a cleanupxC | ☎ 19:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep For the newspaper articles and extensive coverage of indy work. I'll draw a parallel with the article on Vanessa Kraven, as they have similar number of links. Maybe a cleanup of the red links in Ana Rocha. Genericchimera 06:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.