Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Tribal Style Belly Dance

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The result was delete. AdamBiswanger1 03:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] American Tribal Style Belly Dance

Encyclopedia articicle or an ad? No independent verifiaction of the importance of this "movement" --Peta 23:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm uncertain what level of proof you require, or even what your meaning/definition is. So first I ask for a clarification, and more details about your concerns with the article. It is not an ad; this movement represents a large number of styles and concepts within the overall belly dance world, thus the separate article. For example, likely the best-known belly dancer (as opposed to singer-who-dances, like Shakira or Natasha Atlas) in America, at this point, is a Tribal style dancer named Rachel Brice. But this is sort of like saying the most important gospel singer of the last 30 years is the Reverend James Cleveland; it may be true, and important enough for an entry, but the importance is only noted within that genre, and is mostly indirect outside of it.I'm happy to answer in in-depth questions about ATS and Tribal, as best as I can. Woodrow, known to some as Asim 01:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - This is a notable form of bellydance. It sounds like an ad because its wirtten very poorly but it is notable, and has had a huge impact on the world of bellydance since its inception. It is the other major form of the dance proacticed around the world besides the traditional Egyptian. Hold on and I'll cite all the books I have about it. pschemp | talk 03:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
• Sources - Verifies its importance and existence.[1],Section about it in here (note lady on front is dressed in ATS style)[2],Article about it here verifying it is one of the three main styles in the US, [3] another here[4], additionally there are 5,900,000 google hits for American tribal bellydance and oodles of sites of groups that perfom this, I mean, too many to count. The nomination is silly, especially since it took me all of 5 minutes to find this. Anyone who is bellydancer could tell you this in their sleep. pschemp | talk 03:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Interesting article, but I don't see any references to verify notability other than websites of people promoting the art. Has there been no reporting in any newspaper or magazine of general circulation? Find something to objectively document the importance to those other than the performers.Edison 21:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

  Note the book references I reported above. Also note that Shira, whose article cites it as one of the three main forms, is not a practioner of ATS, rather she does the Restaurant Caberet style, and hence is objective. But goodness you people are lazy, so here: "1987 A new form of belly dance, known as American Tribal, is presented by Carolena Nericcio and her troupe, Fat Chance Belly Dance, and soon spreads around the world." [5] "Dancers will perform different traditional forms of dancing including American tribal style and gypsy." [6] and "Even today, there are a range of styles, including American tribal, Egyptian cabaret, folkloric and gypsy." [7] If the dancers don't know what's important, who does? [8] and last "American Belly Dance basically comes in two different styles Cabaret and American Tribal." [9] pschemp | talk 00:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

• Sufficient notability established per pschemp. Keep ++Lar: t/c 07:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - This article describes Tribal bellydance, a very exciting and innovative movement within the dance community. The article refers to Jamila, one of the originators of this movement. Jamila's daughter Suhaila is a quite famous dancer in many dance spectra, she has appeared on several American television series, including "Fame," "Max Headroom," and an ABC pilot entitled "Harem," in addition to starring in numerous commercials. http://www.suhaila.com/Pages/Biography.htm Suhaila's style is one of many emerging styles of bellydance that include several famous dancers who have developed new dance artforms, e.g., Jill Parker of UltraGypsy, Rachel Brice of the Indigo, Carolena of FatChanceBellydance, and many, many more. Any of the million or more bellydancers practicing the art could tell you about Tribal Style Bellydance movement in the US. THis is important information, and should be kept. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.116.175 (talk • contribs)
• Keep "For example, likely the best-known belly dancer...in America, at this point, is a Tribal style dancer named Rachel Brice" the article about whom was nominated for deletion (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rachel_Brice), as well as the Bellydance Superstars artcle (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bellydance_Superstars). Jon Silpayamanant 21:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.