Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Merchant Stripes

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The result was Merge to American ensign. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-03-03 08:05Z

[edit] American Merchant Stripes

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No evidence that a flag of this name existed. ScottMainwaring 04:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - this seems to show that the flag is real. If not a keep then Merge into Flags of the United States - Peripitus (Talk) 12:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, described on US Navy page[1]: Since American merchant ships often displayed a simple red and white striped flag, there is a good chance that the striped jack to which Hopkins refers was the plain, striped flag used by American merchant ships. On the same page Benjamin Franklin and John Adams are quoted, "Merchant ships have often only thirteen stripes, but the flag of the United States ordained by Congress is the thirteen stripes and the thirteen stars above described." Little information on the flag is online, though. --Dhartung | Talk 19:44, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge into Flags of the United States. There are Google hits that aren't mirror sites, for example [2]. Suriel1981 09:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean to imply that flags of this design did not exist — the Sons of Liberty apparently used such a flag, as did (most probably) the Continental Navy (see First Navy Jack). I hadn't been aware of the Franklin and Adams quote, which does look like good evidence that this design was also used as a U.S. Civil ensign. Nevertheless, I have yet to see any solid evidence that such a civil ensign was named the "American Merchant Stripes"; a single flag retailer's site and a personal essay don't seem to me sufficient bedrock on which to ground a Wikipedia entry. Given all this, I would like to change my vote to Merge into American ensign. --ScottMainwaring 06:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.