Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/American Idol controversy (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Clearly no consensus for deletion and strong support for keeping, though there does appear to be a rough consensus for a title change, but that can obviously be discussed on the talk page.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 08:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] American Idol controversy

American Idol controversy (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Unworthy page, all of this info is in the articles anyway KC109 01:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Weak keep. It's possible this might be an attempt at creating a spinoff page to lessen the length of the original article. Considering how notable this series is, a separate article on the controversies is justified. And there are certainly plenty of sources. Needs to be policed for WP:NPOV and WP:BLP, especially to avoid the dreaded POV Fork Syndrome. And it needs a better lead. And the title needs to be changed because it suggests this is about only one controversy. It could also possibly be expanded with sections on controversies in regional versions of the show (i.e. World Idol, Canadian Idol, etc). Other than these content issues I don't see a problem with the article's viability or "worthiness" (I don't like the term "unworthy" being used in AFD as it sounds a bit too much like WP:IDONTLIKEIT). I only say "weak keep" because maybe others won't mind the main Idol article ballooning with a controversies section. 23skidoo (talk) 12:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Article seems well sourced and of a significant length that it is unlikely to be possible to merge it with the main article. Although there is some OR that could be removed. --neonwhite user page talk 15:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge into the existing American Idol article. Ecoleetage (talk) 15:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep as a legitimate split page. American Idol is a long article, and this is backed up by significant secondary sources. PeterSymonds | talk 15:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 16:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep and Rename to American Idol Controversies. The parent article is large enough, with only the possibility of umpteen more seasons of being on the air growing it even larger. Seems to be a very reasonable split. Jim Miller (talk) 20:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment All of this is already in the articles for the seasons they occured in anyway. KC109 21:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC).
They could be summarized with a link to this page. --neonwhite user page talk 22:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete content fork Sceptre (talk) 01:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
This is not a content fork Wikipedia:Content_forking#What_content.2FPOV_forking_is_not it's classed as an article spinout. --neonwhite user page talk 03:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, the "it's a spinout not a fork" argument - totally wrong because it's a "X controversy" article. Sceptre (talk) 16:04, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep As per Neon. Jim Miller's points are also salient; spinning off into a justified page, linked from main article, helps reduce bloat. Common sense. Minkythecat (talk) 13:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep At the top of the article clarify that it covers recent controversies, that significant (and reliably sourced) controversies will be incorporated into the controversies section of the main American Idol article (include link), and that older controversies that don't get moved there will be removed. Also, rename the article with the plural, "controversies". VoteFair (talk) 22:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep as per the above. I frankly don't understand the nom. Editorofthewikireview my edits here! 01:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Most certainly a notable topic, as the show draws plenty of criticism from reliable sources and, as an above user pointed out, the original article is large enough. faithless (speak) 01:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Per my nom, I will again say I did not refrence the original article in my nom. I am talking about the respective seasons in which these controversies occured. (I.E. American Idol Season 6. KC109 02:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC).
  • Keep and Rename to American Idol Controversies. --Skylights76 (talk) 02:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep--24.129.100.84 (talk) 01:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, these controversies are notable, and some might warrant having individual articles. Everyking (talk) 05:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep and convert into list article List of American Idol controversies. Structure of current article lends it to this format, but it needs to be consistent throughout. Even if it isn't listified, the name must be changed as the current one is vague. B.Wind (talk) 04:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. as a legitimate split page. American Idol is a long article, and this is backed up by significant secondary sources. as per PeterSymonds. Rename to American Idol Controversies as the content comprises multiple independent controversies. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.