Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alpha Kappa Nu (second nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 15:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Alpha Kappa Nu

This is an interesting case. This article was deleted at AfD here last week, given concerns over its bias regarding the "first black fraternity" controversy. A different version was then recreated. A very confused, newbie/SPA-populated DRV did nothing to elucidate the matter. Imput from experienced, impartial editors is needed here. This debate with be semi-protected to curb newbie/SPA spamming, and the full history of the article will be restored to allow diff. comparison. I undertake this nomination as editor concerned about the quality of the article. Weak delete, pending discussion. Xoloz 15:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Note to closing admin: Beware that this article draws WP:SPAs. Xoloz 15:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Reviewing the previous debates, esepcially the concerns over authorship and motivation as well as the nature of the sources, I am inclined to vote delete on this. Eusebeus 15:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• This article should be deleted based on the speculative nature (POV) of the references provided and the author’s further misquoting of these references. Alpha Kappa Nu has been out of existence for 100 years. The only authentic proof of its existence at all is the picture provided. Membership roster and bios can be deduced by this picture, if one is desirous to labor in that original research.

However, and of the utmost importance, since there’s no written documentation to be found anywhere in the form of a Constitution, preamble, or mission statement, it’s speculative to conclude whether or not Alpha Kappa Nu was a club, society, fraternity, exclusive membership based on race, gender, or social status, academic, social, or service oriented (“strengthen the Negro voice at the city and the university”? Says who?), or otherwise. Presenting any such evidence as 100% fact on this or any other site, as well as any and all journal and newspaper publications should be avoided.

I whole-heartedly support deletion in its entirety. Adisalee 16:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete This article should be deleted because NinjaNubian/MyKungfu is using multiple IPs to endorse keep for article and terrorising Alpha Phi Alpha and Alpha Kappa Alpha. Bearly541 02:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep, with some conditions, though. I don't see any reason to doubt the organization's existence, and while the article as it stood at deletion was horribly written, it's properly sourced and the core material seems to be accurate. Keeping it and semi-protecting it should allow for significant article improvements without User:Mykungfu's typical tactic of heavy editing via anonymous IPs. His misbehavior on other articles - he's violated WP:3RR, WP:SOCK, and has harassed a number of other editors - shouldn't affect our votes here. (Please note that I voted to delete in the prior debate, but after further review, would lean towards keeping it.) | Mr. Darcy talk 02:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

At best, the most accurate historical presentation of AKN would read as follows: Alpha Kappa Nu was a club at Indiana in 1903. Members shown in the photo are _________. This organization existed only a few years and left no information about what type of organization if was (study group, fraternity, radical militant group, honor society, Black nationalists?) its scope, purpose, aims, goals, or membership requirememnts. Why even have an article of three sentences? Adisalee 12:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Please stop using the bold tags - you're giving me eyestrain. Short articles are perfectly welcome on Wikipedia, and the fact that an article might be a stub at first doesn't mean it will never be expanded. | Mr. Darcy talk 20:37, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Be_bold.png Adisalee 22:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

• I'm sympathetic, but the sparsity of reliable sources to verify the claims is troubling; the claims may be true but this is bordering on original research. I suggest this information be published in a reputable journal first. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-10-05 08:01Z

• weak delete: concur with Quarl. I don't want to beat up on this article (which is what I was accused of by its creator), but it appears all knowledge of this organization comes from the previously discussed picture. The only other original reference to it is taken from the one paragraph quote of the official history book of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.:

Black-sponsored Greek letter organizations on the Indiana University campus might well have begun in 1903, but there were too few registrants to assure continuing organization. In that year, a club was formed called Alpha Kappa Nu with the purpose of strengthening the Blacks' voice at the University and in the city of Bloomington. There is no record of any similar organization at Indiana until the chartering of Kappa Alpha Nu, a forerunner of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Incorporated, in 1911. -The Story of Kappa Alpha Psi by William Crump, Copyright 1991

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