Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allison Sudradjat

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete there may be cause to recreate this article if more WP:BIO information becomes available at which time I'll restore the article until then there has been insufficient material to establish notability beyond Wikipedia is not a memorial. basic information is already in the Garuda crash article. Gnangarra 12:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

nb: a deletion review begun on 9 April 2008 came to a determination of Recreation permitted --User:Jack Merridew a.k.a. David 07:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Allison Sudradjat

Allison Sudradjat (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Not notable other than for the manner of her death. Wikipedia is not a memorial. Mattinbgn/ ^talk 07:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Mattinbgn/ ^talk 07:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Recurring dreams 08:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, not much else to say, if there's nothing to add to this article than a tragic death in an accident, then it is sad but no more notable than the thousands of other such deaths around the world each year. Euryalus 09:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep. There's a little here if anyone is interested. —Moondyne 10:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

from your link:

--Jack Merridew 10:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Wikipedia is not a memorial. DarkAudit 16:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Allison Sudradjat administered something like AU$200,000,000/yr in Australian Aid to Indonesia. This is notable. I am the person who created this stub. I regret having added the link to the lame allisonsudradjat.net which seems to have given folks the idea that the article is a memorial to her. The manner of her death is a detail; she seems to have done a lot of good and I feel the stub should be expanded to cover this. Give it a chance. --Jack Merridew 08:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Almost 4,000 hits on Google. --Jack Merridew 09:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

"Allison was one of our most capable and dedicated officers. During her 18 years with AusAID, her intellectual and practical approach to the challenges of development was truly extraordinary. Allison led Australia's humanitarian response to some of the region's worst disasters in recent years. She was also a bold, passionate advocate for attacking poverty at its roots, working for better schools, better health and better government."

"Allison had an extraordinary impact on her colleagues both in Canberra and at the two Australian missions in Indonesia and PNG where she had spent a total of 10 years working to improve the lives of people in those two countries. She was an inspirational leader and people looked to her with great respect, admiration and fondness. We will miss her enormously."

from: http://www.ausaid.gov.au/media/release.cfm?BC=Media&ID=9907_6116_6487_4096_3000

--Jack Merridew 09:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• KeepDelete, lots of recent and historical Google News Archive results, and we need to consider that Indonesian RS will exist but not be readily found. John Vandenberg 09:04, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

  The Hansard No. 4, 2007 has more tributes which contain bio details, but I cant find many RS (some Indonesian RS indicate she opened a few schools, but that isnt enough for notability). Im happy to change my mind back to keep if a non-govt RS links her to the aid money/projects prior to the crash. I expect she was heavily involved in the tsunami, and RS may have picked up on her involvement. John Vandenberg 16:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, just because there are hits on Google doesn't make her notable. She was an Australian government bureaucrat, one of thousands at a similar level at any given time. Of course, her name was included in the stories about the Garuda crash (hence the Google hits), but the crash itself doesn't make her a notable individual. Outside of the crash she wasn't known to the public. Are we going to also create hundreds of thousands of articles for every other mid-level bureaucrat in counties around the world? Clearly fails Wikipedia:Notability (people). (Caniago 11:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

  Please review the information provided so far; the news articles I linked to were not about the crash. John Vandenberg 13:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

  As a representative for AusAid in Indonesia she is going to have some news articles which mention her name. It doesn't make her any more notable for inclusion than the hundreds of thousands of similar public servants around the world. From what I can tell, even the director of AusAID doesn't have an article, nor does the head of the Australian Red Cross, RSPCA Australia, etc. Secondary or tertiary people in these organizations certainly don't have articles, so why should Allison be included? (Caniago 13:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

  Ok; I was expecting the head of AusAid in Indonesia to be a bit more than a "government bureaucrat" which is why I queried your initial opinion; but I've looked further and cant find RS for her except for the crash. btw, the head of the American Red Cross exists: Mark W. Everson. :-) John Vandenberg 16:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

  If you were to create articles about the directors of AusAUD, Australian Red Cross or RSPCA Australia I probably wouldn't vote for their deletion, but the line for notability must be drawn somewhere. (Caniago 18:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC))

• Merge to the Garuda accident information, if the information is not already there. JRG 03:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.