Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alison Garrigan (2nd)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. W.marsh 18:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alison Garrigan

Alison Garrigan (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This has already been deleted once at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alison Garrigan. It was tagged as a repost but another user contends that the first deletion was in error because of a misunderstanding in the theatre in which she performed. I don't think that is completely true because a few editors mention that she appears to be big in Cleveland but not outside it yet. The article appears to fail WP:BIO just as other users contended in the first AfD. I think this should have gone the way of a speedy repost, but I've brought it here since the speedy was contested. Metros232 13:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

  • KeepI think her career is intrinsically interesting. Anyone interested in gender roles would be interested in her and her views (I would). The article needs more - but justifies staying. And I live in Wales. NIghtjar 14:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Reply To my mind, trouser parts aren't anything new. Also, this isn't really the right place for it, but "Person of gender A playing the role of a person of gender B who wants to be gender A" strikes me as a really wrongheaded casting choice. It brings in an element of successful wish-fullfillment that really shouldn't be there. Would "Boys don't Cry" work with Chad Lowe in the lead role? And on a final note, it seems pretty clear that Alison Garrigan has not yet quit her day job. How many Equity points does she have? - Richfife 17:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nomination and the first discussion. I may also have interesting views but these alone do not make one notable for an article. And faulty talk page reasoning doesn't bode well for this article either—you can have local professional theatres. Kavadi carrier 15:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Reluctant delete, I think she falls just short of WP:BIO in that only one of the sources is actually about Garrigan herself (the interview). I don't espouse limiting notability to just national (after all most US states are larger than many countries), but it looks like she's hitting a career stride and may break through to broader coverage soon. --Dhartung | Talk 22:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Move to WP:DRV Danny Lilithborne 01:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Move to WP:DRV as well. I'm concerned that the article will be back over and over again in slightly tweaked form. - Richfife 02:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep! Wikipedia has been delete happy as of late and I fear that many contributor's hard work will discourage participants and will detract from our ability to catalog human knowledge, the purpose of an encyclopedia. Cheers, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 03:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Her work is in and with fully professional theaters, and the article has good references. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 03:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. I don't understand the itch to delete. The article is their for people who are interested to follow a link to or to contribute to. No one is forced to access or read it. If some people aren't interested, concentrate on what you like, but don't interfere with other people's work. Cases for deletion are clear - they can be spotted a mile away. This one is substantial enough to keep. Soane 18:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Reply From the first deletion debate: Notability requirements on Wikipedia are an important way of keeping it from being completely inundated by random information about all 5 billion plus people on the planet, rendering it completely useless. As it is, "How come I can't have an article when they can!" is a constant refrain from every person that can drink a glass of beer really fast or stand on their head or got straight A's once. The line has to be drawn somewhere. - Richfife 19:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete The prior AFD didn't discuss sourcing specifically, so I don't know if the article then completely lacked sources, had the same ones, had different ones, etc... The current article has as sources a Cleveland Plain Dealer article primarily about her, which puts her half way to meeting WP:BIO. It has a trivial mention from the same newspaper, which doesn't help. It has a passing mention from www.clevescene.com, which adds nothing. It has an article from the Cleveland Jewish News that contains a sentence about her performance. This also doesn't meet the primary subject portion of the WP:BIO criteria. I believe none of the inline links are to independent reliable sources; the best of them is most likely to an actress provided bio-blurb. So I judge at this time that the article does not demonstrate notability to WP:BIO standards. GRBerry 03:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.