Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ali Yıldırım Koç

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. --jonny-mt 09:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ali Yıldırım Koç

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No assertion of notability beyond being among sons of Rahmi Koç. Yes, this guy works work in Koç Group (what a suprise, guess who hired him? Yes his father!.. And currently his brother is in charge...), but . Since the relationships do not confer notability, this guy has no awards, no honors, no widely recognized contribution, no creative professional, no entertainer, no diplomat, no politician, nothing but his surname... (by the way, the article Koç family mentions about him, which is enough IMHO) F10F11 (talk) 02:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete None of the positions he holds are in and of themselves notable, nor is the combination of them together. DarkAudit (talk) 04:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I feel that his positions are notable enough to merit inclusion, irrespective of his family relationships. The article should be altered to focus more on him than on his family, however. DJLayton4 (talk) 07:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - his notability is questionable to me. iMatthew 2008 11:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. The nominator says he's "not in any kind of leadership position". Acually he's one of 10 vice-presidents of Turkey's largest company, which is certainly a leadership position. And how he got to this position is irrelevant to Wikipedia - we don't delete articles on monarchs just because they inherited their positions rather than got there on merit. It may well be that the subject is non-notable, but he should be judged on the basis that he holds one of the hundred or so most influential business positions in a country with a population of 70 million, not on the untrue and irrelevant statements made by the nominator. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
    • This is not a monarch. This is a man who holds positions that are not necessarily notable. Just being on the board of a football team does not make one notable. He is upper management in one sector of a corporation. As you say, he's one of 10. There's not much here beyond him holding the position. DarkAudit (talk) 15:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, accomplished businessman but no indication of notability. Optional redirect to Koç family. --Dhartung | Talk 07:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep/rescue. At least Merge/redirct to Koç family article. While in the past it's not been a practice to see a businessman as notable in the way we would say a MP/congressman, that is changing in the new world of market states where business and media can be as powerful as government. Phil Bridger is correct when he puts it as "he holds one of the hundred or so most influential business positions in a country with a population of 70 million" - I guarantee that makes him notable enough for foreign intelligence agencies, media outlets and other multinational businesses to have files on him or an active interest in him, especially in a country like Turkey which has an interesting place in international politics at the moment (large muslim population, US allies to a degree, active military issues against the Kurds/PKK and incursions into Iraq, plus Cyprus issues, EU issues, transmigration issues - list goes on.) An article on this man, or a section on him in his family article is certainly warranted. To respond to DarkAudit - The average football team (ie: not certain Italian ones owned by politicians) don't have the power to shape State policy. I believe we should have more and more bios on top ranking/upper management corporate personnel as companies wield more and more power over national and international policies and politics.
I just did a really quick search on google using keywords "Koç" "Turkey" "Politics" and there is our man, 9th ranking on the results, doing no less than addressing the World Economic Forum's 2006 meeting in Turkey as the family representative and as a member of the panel that debated live on CNBC on the topic of Defining Turkey's Long Term Comparative Advantages. The WEF site also uses his photo and a quote from him to as a reference in their Turkey in Geopolitics section. If the WEF think you're worth talking to, then you are probably are important enough to warrant your own article on wikipedia... (sorry bout that. It's late, and I can get carried away...)Akitora (talk) 11:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I'd be inclined to Keep, if this were an American then we wouldn't be arguing this, it goes some way to countering systemic bias. clearly notable. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.