Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexander Fraser Pirie

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Bobet 11:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander Fraser Pirie

This appears to be a not particulary noteworthy journalist, listing here for community consensus. No Vote exolon 22:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Also check George Pirie as it appears to be in a similar vein. exolon 22:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• Although Mr. Pirie is not well known today, he was a well known newspaperman throughout Toronto during the 1870s and 1880s. His 1903 death was covered in every major paper across Canada. He was nominated by his peers as the President of the Canadian Press Association in 1893. This article is not intended to rank his importance as a journalist, rather, it is an article detailing one part of the history of the Canadian newspaper industry. This type of information is not readily available anywhere else and would be unique to Wikipedia.--Mpirie 17:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. "This type of information is not readily available anywhere else and would be unique to Wikipedia" is a clear violation of WP:V. --Satori Son 17:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for your coments. Then I retract that statement since you have pointed out something I was unaware of. My other comments stand.--Mpirie 18:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Notwithstanding your retraction, the article still does not yet pass WP:V and WP:BIO. --Satori Son 20:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Petros471 13:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Please also consider George Pirie. Petros471 13:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unless verifiable sources can be provided. User:Angr 14:49, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep — For Alexander. Much of the article is unsourced and the author's statement indicates it is unverifiable. However, the fact that he was elected president of the Canadian Press Association (which does have a source) makes him borderline notable. Delete George, who should not be confused with the probably notable George Pirie from Glasgow [1]. JChap2007 16:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep both. Both articles now have references which confirm the family member's recollections. And both seem notable, since Alexander Fraser Pirie was a newspaper editor and George a newspaper publisher, given the influence that Canadian newspapers had on politics and society generally in the 19th century. Alexander Fraser Pirie does not have an article in the Directory of Canadian BiographyDictionary of Canadian Biography, but he is mentioned as an editor in the Directory of Canadian BiographyDictionary of Canadian Biography's article on John Ross Robertson. -- TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 17:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - per entry in DCB above, obviously notable. Wjhonson 18:51, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
• Improve article. DCB probably indicates notability, but notability should also be clear from the article itself. Han-Kwang 19:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for re-instating. I am the author of the article and the great granddaughter of A. F. Pirie. I can improve the article per your welcome comments. I do have verifiable sources for my statements - I hold all his original correspondence, newspaper clippings from 1870s to 1903, Press badge, Chicago Press conference speeches, letter from Prime Minister John A. Macdonald, and genealogical info (funeral card), photos, etc. Part of the biography can be backed up with his entry in Canada's "Who's Who" of 1898 by Morgan[2] which I can add as further reading. I wrote from my overall research, rather than utilizing the work of others, but naturally, I can go back and source everything. His obituary provides further info and appeared in the Toronto Star, Toronto Evening Telegram, the Globe, Regina Leader, Hamilton Times, and nearly every newspaper in Canada. Yes, he is unknown today, but in terms of 1880s Toronto - he was well known and respected. In terms of Mr. George Pirie, I hold his correspondence from the 1840s to 1860s, his obituaries, financial papers, and photographs. Mr. Pirie faced greater obstacles than his son as he was establishing himself in Canada, but his contributions to Guelph were significant in his day. That being said, I respect the input of others. Once again thank you for your consideration. Mpirie 00:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.