Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alesana (2nd nomination)

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The result was Delete. JERRY ^talk _contribs 20:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alesana

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No asserion of notability, only two albums on a very small indie label, no chart history and no sources other than self published sites. neonwhite user page talk 01:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

• I dunno - I don't listen to or know about indie music and never will, so it's hard for me to judge the article. The band has never charted in any american billboard that I can find ([1]) although european charts are harder to find, but has been on a national tour ([2]) and has recorded two albums with a new indie label and one album with a larger and older indie label. I can't find any major news reports on the band, but a few minor internet stories on them. So it sorta satisfies two or three of the WP:BAND criteria, but then again they just seem NN in some aspects. If someone else could look at the info I've provided and give their thoughts, hopefully I'll be able to decide what to do. Cheers, Spawn Man ^{Review Me!} 03:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I cant find any notability thay satisfies WP:MUSIC. --neonwhite user page talk 04:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I meant someone other than the nom since I already know your views lol. :) Spawn Man (talk) 06:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You said it sorta satisfies two or three of the WP:BAND criteria, i don't see them, i was wondering which you were referring to. The only one that they may in the future qualify under is a couple of albums on Fearless Records but so far they have only re-released an earlier album. --neonwhite user page talk 20:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Rereleasing counts, as long as they've released an album with a notable indie label. Also, they've been on a national tour, which may satisfy another. As I said, I'll reserve judgement until more arguments are brought up here. Spawn Man (talk) 00:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

• If there were more specifics on their credibility, you would all be convinced of Alesana's legitimacy. This article does provide a lot of notable information but fails in some ways to provide the full story. They have a music video produced for the song "Ambrosia" which has been known to show up on MTV, and the band's uprise has marked a large shift in the post-hardcore scene nationwide. They also played multiple shows on the 2007 Warped Tour. Many kids these days can tell you who Alesana is, and it's about time they be recognized in the Wiki world. The problem with this article isn't that Alesana has little notability, it's that the article fails to highlight it properly. If I find time, I will try to verify some of this information with reliable references, but in the meantime, I encourage a positive outlook on the future of this Wiki. Thank You (Dusty (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC))

None of that really asserts any notability according to WP:MUSIC. If there is a 'full story' published by a second party source then i can't find it and with out one it all remains a personal view. Popularity isn't a criteria as it would follow that a popular band would have charted and these havent. As detailed on the main afd page, simply suggesting that sources may exist or may be found in the future isn't enough, they must be produced here and now for them to be accepted. --neonwhite user page talk 20:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as non-notable. No more notable than 1 million other bands, all of which cannot be merited an entry. -RiverHockey (talk) 23:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per RiverHockey. Notability seems asserted, but the refs aren't independent and they haven't done anything too major. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reywas92 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. non-notable. Peter Fleet (talk) 09:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per criteria 5 and 10. They have performed on My Super Sweet 16, and have also released work under a major indie label. ~Ambrosia- ^talk 22:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

re-releasing one album on a small indie label isnt notable. Please re-read the criteria on WP:MUSIC. The article cites no tv appearances and them having written or performed a tv theme. --neonwhite user page talk 23:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Added source for MTV appearance. ~Ambrosia- ^talk 00:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

A self-published source that isn't really permissable according to WP:SPS. It needs a second party source at least. You can't rely on a single self published press release as proof of notability. There is no mention of them on List of My Super Sweet 16 episodes where many other bands are listed and according to themselves the show never actually got aired.[3] We really have no proof, other than WP:SPS of what their involvement was. --neonwhite user page talk 02:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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