Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aleksandra Samusenko

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Eluchil404 04:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aleksandra Samusenko

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PROD for failing to assert notability was removed. Has received an Order of the Red Star, but the decoration has been awarded to over 2 million individuals, according to the wikipedia article. Martijn Hoekstra 18:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but she commanded a T-34 unit, this background seems to be eminent as this type of tank played a significant role on the WWII Eastern Front. And, first of all there is no conflict with the basic criteria of WP:BIO: though it's a stub so far, there is enough information IMO. The girl is also the subject of at least one published secondary source which I consider reliable, intellectually independent and independent of the subject. --Brand спойт 18:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
BTW, over 2 million individuals is a normal proportion regarding the Soviet population. Yes, it's unusual for example for the UK, but is common for the USSR. I'm not a pro-Soviet, but let's stick to facts. Let's compare the bestowing criteria with some other awards, for which there are recipient categories. The Order of the Red Star is awarded "for outstanding achievements in the defense of the USSR and for actions in maintaining state security in times of peace"[1]. The criterium for George Medal is similar: for "acts of great bravery". Silver Star's criterium looks even more moderate: "gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States". The list could go forth. Despite of that I don't stand up for inclusion of all the recipients, I simply think that this particular case deserves the inclusion because the presence of Soviet female tankmen in the WWII is far less evident than that of female snipers or pilots. Lieutenant Colonel and military journalist Vadim Kozhukhov also confirms that. --Brand спойт 09:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Sorry, but it seems that you're trying to use the article to make a point. Using an article about one particular tankwoman as a tribute to all the others who fought in the war isn't a valid reason to keep it. Clarityfiend 19:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
As I wrote, I think that she is notable because there were few Soviet female tankmen. --Brand спойт 13:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete although I'm tempted otherwise largely on the basis of her engaging smile. Soviet women soldiers were not rare and normally jsut being a tank commander and receiving a common service medal would not be noteworthy. There are women who received Hero of the Soviet Union and other unquestionably notable medals. --Dhartung | Talk 18:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Bearing in mind the prevalence of male tank commanders (not tankmen and not only in WWII) and WP:IAR, I'd rather regard her as worthy of mention. --Brand спойт 19:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable, but if there's a Smilopedia, she definitely should be in it. Clarityfiend 23:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Ultimately NN. (Though I must commend the authors on using both "shitless" and "rapprochement" within ten words of each other....) —  MusicMaker5376 20:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Now smells like a snowballed filibuster, but let it be :) --Brand спойт 14:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.