Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albert Angus Turbayne

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep and nomination withdrawn. Deathphoenix ʕ 19:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Albert Angus Turbayne

Claim to fame is that he "won a bronze medal for bookbinding design at the 1900 Paris exposition." NN in my opinion. NawlinWiki 16:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

    • On reflection, I am persuaded by the Keep votes below and withdraw the nomination. NawlinWiki 16:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, non-notable, and also copyvio from this site. Google indicates no particular notability, other than a 1968 book from an author with the same name (possibly someone else, possibly a reprint). It's about "One thousand two hundred two and three letter monograms." Fascinating, I'm sure, but short of WP:BIO's "published authors ... who received multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work". Sandstein 18:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. I didn't realize that bookbinding was a competitive sport. All kidding aside, I think there is merit in keeping this article, although it should be quickly re-written to avoid the copyright concern. Assuming this person's career was late C19 and early C20, I doubt you'll find a lot on the internet about this. Bear in mind the limitations of googletesting and its bias towards more modern subjects. While bookbinding today is probably a lost art, I suspect at the time it was an important craft (important enough that prizes were awarded for it). This article should be given some time for an editor who appreciates lost arts to develop it into something more. Agent 86 18:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Oh great, another "third place contestant in a spelling bee" type article, only this time set 100+ years ago. If it was proved that bookbinding was indeed important as an artistic craft at that time, and the Paris Exhibition of 1900's contest was a really significant one, I might consider a keep for the first place winner. But this guy won the third place medal. For those curious, Emanuel Sadokierski of Lodz, Poland was the gold medal winner (scroll all the way down the page down to the "Other" section) and the silver medal winner was Minnie Prat of Wolfville, Nova Scotia. Bwithh 18:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: Given that the Paris Exposition was a World's Fair, I wouldn't discount events at that fair to be insignificant. As for bookbinding, I'd find it hard to believe that it wasn't an important craft[1]. It appears that it still is. It isn't going to get the kids away from their Sidekicks or their skateboards, but it hasn't been relegated to the dustbin of history, either. Agent 86 20:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: The book 'Monograms and Ciphers' is indeed by this Albert Angus Turbayne, and seems to have been regularly reprinted since 1905, indicating at least some degree of notability in his field.
  • Strong delete. Copyvio.
  • Delete- just doesn't seem important. Reyk YO! 20:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. According to WBIS Online, there is an entry for him in the Who Was Who 1929-1940 (London: Black, 1941). According to the British Library catalogue, he published two books, Alphabets and numerals (1904) and the already mentioned Monograms and Ciphers (1905), and the latter has been reprinted a few times (the Library of Congress has a reprint from as late as 1968). My guess is that a cricket player with a similar degree of notability would have been kept. up+land 21:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep He wrote a book which was put back into print more than 60 years after it was written? If that isn't "notable", then I have no idea what is. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - Exposition Universelle (1900) seems like an important event, if he won a bronze medal there then it is notable unless someone can prove it otherwise. Though the article should be expanded --16:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


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