Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albanophobia

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as an OR POV fork. This is a synthesis of sources used to push a point of view, which is not allowed by policy despite some of the "keep" arguments presented. --Coredesat 05:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Albanophobia

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Send this article the way of other Anti-X sentiment articles (see Anti-Macedonian sentiment and Anti-Hellenism. Francis Tyers · 15:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Note: Other articles in this deletion series:

  • delete, per my reasoning in several parallel cases (see [1]) Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • strong keep, well sourced, both Albanian, Serbian and Greek sources. Can be expanded but should NOT be removed. --Noah30 17:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serbophobia. - Francis Tyers · 09:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per the rational here. All these amateurish nationalistic anti-X articles (unless it's adequately sourced that such a movement exists and there is reliable literature on the topic, e.g. Anti-Semitism) should be deleted.--Ploutarchos 13:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Albanophobia is a huge problem in Greece according to Greek Helsinki Monitor. What other sources do we need? Am I allowed to comment here??? If not I am sorry --Noah30 18:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Comment: Sure, actually, I don't doubt for a minute there is Albanophobia in Greece. Just take a Taxi ride through Athens and you'll see and hear it. But that's not the point. Is this phenomenon the subject of academic analysis? And is there reliable literature on how the Greek Albanophobia is historically related to the presumed Albanophobia in Serbia or elsewhere? Only then would "Albanophobia" be a single, unified phenomenon and hence a legitimate encyclopedic topic. I don't deny it might be, but nobody has brought sources. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Please do not make up your own terms and write articles about them, not on Wikipedia. We deleted Afrophobia and Negrophobia, and they at least appear in some dictionaries. --Ezeu 15:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Hellenism. Tankred 20:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as per the other articles in questions, this is inherently OR and should meet the same fate of Anti-Hellenism and Anti-Slav-Macedonian sentiment.--Aldux 14:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete (per arguments given here. Dahn 14:44, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all per WP:SYN. KissL 14:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The phenomenon exists and discussed in reliable sources. If the article is bad, it must be cleaned, not deleted. Mukadderat 16:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per this search Addhoc 18:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: It may well be that the works cited there might provide material for an article. But they aren't the material for the present article. The present article is all about Serbia and Macedonia; the google results seem to be all about Greece. If there's material for an article on "Albanophobia in Greece" or for a relevant section in "Greek-Albanian relations", fine with me. That still doesn't justify an article for "Albanophobia" in all countries together, unless some of the works explicitly draw that connection. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Personally, I would suggest the search indicates the article should be rewitten to include these sources. I'm not convinced there is a requirement for unified sentiment - the roots of Islamophobia in India are different from Islamophobia in France, however we still have an overall article on this subject. Addhoc 18:33, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and improve. It is documented and describes real facts. These kind of situations occured and there is no real need to delete the article, but to improve it. --R O A M A T A A | msg  18:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all. WP:NOR, WP:POVFORKs. No exceptions = no bitching. NikoSilver 19:13, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all Not very good sources and clear POV fork--Sefringle 19:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 13:11, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I think this article presents real facts. But we must take care with the NPOV. --Mocu 13:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all; fails WP:SYN. See my further reasoning at the Serbophobia AfD. Duja► 14:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all. Local incidents hyped by (tabloid) media and individuals covering their own xenophobia or another agenda by pointing fingers at others are not valid enough for an encyclopedia article. You could find individuals in every nation hating some other nation/culture/race/whatever, yet that should be covered enough in general articles about prejudice, racism and such. Unless there is some substantial evidence for anti-whatever sentiment, these types of articles should have no place in Wikipedia.--Svetovid 17:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • weak keep and improve. They will be academic sources, but they will not necessarily be using the same terms--as discussed above. There will be of course more newspaper sources, but I dont expect to find them all of google, and we'd need local specialists who are prepared to do the work--and do it objectively. I have the pessimistic inclination to think that all such articles will in fact find enough documented incidents to justify them. DGG 05:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, rename into Anti-Albanian sentiment. The "ph-word" is non-neutral, but the topic is valid. `'юзырь:mikka 16:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete (all these articles if possible). This kind of articles is practically always collection of unrelated factoids put together under an umbrella anti-XYZ. This is 'original research' not belonging here. Pavel Vozenilek 16:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, however, only if all the other "anti-x" articles go as well (except established ones such as anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism).Osli73 07:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, article needs expansion, not deletion. The {{Discrimination2}} template has many other similar articles. John Vandenberg 09:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as users above --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
did you forget to add a delete vote on Serbophobia? --Noah30 20:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, article is properly referenced and is a pretty big topic. It only needs expansion. --CrnaGora 02:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep, this is an important topic, and the article is well referenced.AlexanderPar 08:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, per Roamataa--Pejman47 19:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.