Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alanis Morissette: The Collection

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 16:51, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alanis Morissette: The Collection

First, it's a greatest-hits record, and thus explictly excluded as notable or deserving an article in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Notability and Music Guidelines. Secondly, it hasn't yet been released, so doesn't exist (Wikipedia is not a crystal ball). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:31, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete (or redirect to Alanis Morisette). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:31, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable album with verifiable information to be released shortly. Further, the guidelines referred to by Mel Etitis make no mention of any notability guides for albums. There seems to be no mention that I could find on Wikiproject Albums of this guideline. I have heard reference to such a guideline but it would be useful to see it confirmed. Capitalistroadster 01:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment Guideline is here:

You can link to normal studio albums as much as you want. Caveat 1: Unless there's extenuating circumstances, greatest hits and compilation albums don't need an article. Jkelly 02:12, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, verifiable, of interest to Alanis fans, and has a new track. Kappa 01:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Merge any useful information to Alanis Morisette. Jkelly 02:12, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: it seems odd to have an article for every album, and even singles, a well known artist has produced, except for a greatest hits album. They usually only have one or two greatist hits, so it wouldn't mean a whole lot of new articles. Plus, an article would let you know which tracks are included on the album. I won't go against policy though, at least not for Alanis Morisette. -- Kjkolb 08:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep --Rogerd 12:22, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep It seems that this is 'the' official GH collection as opposed to one of many patchwork collections, therefore indicating extenuating circumstance. Also, album will be released soon enough to negate 'crystal ball' arguement. Youngamerican 18:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep: the cited guideline is for a wikiproject, not Wikipedia as a whole, and regardless, I disagree with it. — Lomn | Talk / RfC 14:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Jkelly. Zhatt 20:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
• I note that there are already hundreds of Wikipedia articles on artists' greatest hits albums. I also note that in many cases -- including, to all appearances, this one -- a greatest hits album often contains at least one or two songs that have never appeared on a studio album. And I note that a greatest hits album is often one of the biggest-selling (and thereby inherently notable) albums of an artist's career. And "not a crystal ball" is a pretty pointless argument to make for an album whose release is only a month away, and whose advance publicity and advertising has already gone out. (It's also a rather silly argument to make when we already have an article about Kate Bush's Aerial, and we've had an article about the just-released-last-week Broken Social Scene since February.) Finally, I note that "studio albums vs. greatest hits" seems a pretty absurd distinction to draw, and an unenforceable one -- if there isn't an article about this, somebody will create another one, and another one, and another one. All in all, I just don't see a convincing argument for deletion here. Keep. Bearcat 05:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. One albumbox colour is reserved for "greatest hits, box sets and other compilations", so they are allowed here. Also, there is enough reliable information about this album available. -Hapsiainen 16:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. There's no reason not to. M.C. Brown Shoes 13:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. just to respond to some of the points. First, it's not that articles on compilations aren't allowed, only that they're discouraged unless there's some special reason (I don't see one here). Secondly, I don't understand why it's so outrageous to suggest that people wait until an album exists before creating an article; we're not some newspaper desperately trying to scoop the opposition. Thirdly, that there are thousands of other articles on non-notable (and not-yet released) albums and singles isn't a good reason for adding another. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:38, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
• Comment. This album exists. Release has been confirmed by the official website and they've even released cover art and track listing. It'll be out in roughly a month. How much more do you need for it to be real? It's also a notable release because it contains her new single, a cover of a Seal song, multiple new remixes, and is also her first ever compilation. M.C. Brown Shoes 06:47, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.