Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aisleyne Horgan-Wallace (Model)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Although I realize that many of the "keep" votes come from single purpose accounts, even disregarding them, this debate doesn't seem to have arrived at a consensus. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Aisleyne Horgan-Wallace (Model)

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Simply, another non-notable ex-reality TV contestant, has done nothing remarkable since leaving the house other than trivial appearances such as appearing as a contestant of a gameshow and other minor appearances, not to mention that pervious entries have been deleted in the past according to records Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 14:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Has a TV series to be aired later this year, a dress range and a part in a film.--Hiltonhampton (talk) 14:58, 17 February I2008 (UTC)

• Yes she has a role in a film, but only a tiny part as a clubgoer, according to imdb; as for the TV show, does that mean the show will be aired on TV, not to mention that many TV shows made will never be aired on TV; not to mention that anybody can have have a clothes line these days, to add this up,how many fashion design students are there and how many fashion designers are there, plus how many of these designers gat their articles deleted, I'll tell you, lots. Another reason for deleting this is, recreation of a deleted article. Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 15:17, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

• What about all of her modeling work? Also I beg differ with your comment on it being easy to have a clothes range. All of her charity, radio and journalism work along with the aformentioned may all be little things but put together they make her very much notable. Oh, and details of her TV show can be found on the Red TV website stating it will be aired later this year as well as on her site.--Hiltonhampton (talk) 15:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

• About her modeling work, where have I seen her, is it in Razzle (magazine), Club International, Men's World or Men Only, or did she post a photo of herself in Adult FriendFinder I think it is very likely to be these as I have not seen her elsewhere. As for charities, what do celebrities do them for, just to bring attetion to themselves, I don't see them ever do a charity to care about a concern. and what about the fashion, there is just 544 ghits to it, most of these are forums, therefore another not another notable fact. Simply another example of a low rent Z-Lister "celeb". Lets face it, she is just another example of a desparate celebrity. Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 10:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep There is still regular press interest in Aisleyne - she is in the paper today, for example - and it's near enough two years since she became known, so she's passed the test of longevity which other former reality TV show contestants have failed. I think that the fact that she will soon be starring in her own television show, called merely 'Aisleyne', proves this notability and that there is still interest in her. Plenty of material, from a variety of sources, can be provided to provide a decent article on this individual. 86.146.82.254 (talk) 16:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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• Delete, per nom, recreated article. As I have nominated the articles twice to be deleted, which the user has twice got around and recreated the article. Has the show been broadcasted yet? Plus I don't buy into this longevity nonsense, as if that is the case, why is she put aside in favour of the newer contestants, also, not to mention that the article has been deleted a number of times. Didn't one nom said that established precedent that reality show contestants are not notable unless they've done something outside the show, what for, taking her clothes off in tacky mens magazine, plus anybody can be a patron for a charity these days, if they are minor Z-lister. I won't do the namedropping because I should, I got a "past it's sell by date" celeb as a patron (who is a reality TV contestant that personally I don't want) for my childrens' charity that I work for and all it took was a letter to him. Also not to mention that most of that was copied from the BB article. Dr Tobias Funke (talk) 17:58, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Aisleyne is going from strength to strength at the moment. Her series is definitely going to be aired on Red TV shortly, and she has had a few programmes already aired from another series on the same channel (not exclusively about her). Her clothing range debuted to great acclaim at the 'Pure' show at Olympia last week, and she is taking it to Dublin in 10 days time. She has already been asked to bring out another range for the London fashion week in September. This is NOT the time to be talking about deleting this page! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianbaxter43 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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Give any example why she is going from strength to strength at the moment. As Wikipedia is not a site for predicting the future, I don't think your comment is going to support why this article should not be deleted, not even for a single purpose account. Dr Tobias Funke (talk) 22:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I gave examples. The TV show and the clothes range. #[ http://www.fibre2fashion.com/news/fashion-news/newsdetails.aspx?news_id=50151&page=1 fibre2fashion] I don't understand this obsession to delete pages? Fair enough if it was a duplication of another page, but that isn't the case. Surely Wikipedia should be inclusive not exclusive. If people put "Aisleyne" into the search box they expect a page about her, and what she is doing currently, to come up. If it doesn't they will go elsewhere, and the Wiki will be all the poorer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianbaxter43 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

What did a nominator said, the fashion industry is a very competitive industry, therefore not everybody are guaranteed notability, I still don't buy into appearing in a not yet filmed, nevermind not yet aired on TV series as notable yet, also don't count trivial TV guest appearances as notable. Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 20:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, per nom, she could do if that program comes on air, not to mention that how many fashio designers are out there and ratio wise how many of them are considered to be notable. and oh yeah, I almost forgotten about her as I was checking through articles as I heard about a reality contestant article been afded, this is util I came across this article, I just thought i just buggered off and stacked shelves at Asda. Metallicash (talk) 01:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I think there is some serious biased arguements here. Some people just don't Like her (I personally think shes vile) and some of you just hate reality TV contestants. Also who cares if she actually cares about the charity. That doesn't manke it any less notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiltonhampton (talk • contribs) 20:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as what nominator has said over a number of comments above, also it is full of unsourced original research pieces. Also I would like to mention that to the creator, how big is the fashion industry, how many fashion designers are out there, how many people have their clothes line - will this make them instantly notable for every one of them - my verdict is, not yet. Anton Ego (talk) 23:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator, also why should we keep an article that is unsourced, therefore fails WP:V. Seanmcnamara (talk) 23:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete nominator;s reasoning, not yet notable. Lauren Norton (talk) 12:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Apart from Aisleyne’s aforementioned achievements in the media and fashion, she is notable for the contribution of the internet for her elevation. Aisleyne’s appearance in Big Brother 7 coincided with a time of record impressions on Digital Spy’s Big Brother Forum. Many of these impressions were supporting or challenging Aisleyne’s character during the show. This online debate has given rise to a dedicated online fan base that follow Aisleyne’s day to day achievement’s via her official website. Aisleyne has a great respect for these fans, regularly communicating with them via her website. The press and online magazines find Aisleyne noteworthy and she regularly appears on the dividend list of the BBC’s online Celebdaq game, where she is the only Big Brother 7 contestant to remain listed. My verdict is that Aisleyne must be referenced in a web based project such as this, due to her web based notability. InObs (talk) 14:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment, Can't see what you said is a valid fact, forums are not a reliable form of source, nor is blogs and none of these will ever be uses as a form of references. Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 01:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your comment that forums are not a reliable form of source. However, the point I am making is that Aisleyne is notable because of the unique way her fan base grew on the web. During Big Brother 7, via both Digital Spy and the official Channel 4 (Eve Community) Big Brother Forums, an Aisleyne appreciation society known as FAKERS, evolved. This is documented on Aisleyne’s official web site in the section: “About the FAKERS“. The appreciation society is now an integral part of Aisleyne’s web site and the foundation of the Aisleyne brand. The web has continued to increase Aisleyne notability as is mentioned above. Obviously the web is utilised by many people, companies and organisations for promotion but I maintain that the evolution of the Aisleyne brand from debate over a reality show on web Forums, is notable. InObs (talk) 13:38, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't see why this is useful, as all it is is just another forum, I'm sure there are plenty of forums and do most of these get a article, not at all, most of these get AfDed - therefore still not a valid reason. Also can anybody including this one stop calling her brand as this is nothing but fanboy musing.

• Delete I don't see what she is famous for other than these too trivial claim of fame 84.13.157.242 (talk) 19:15, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
• "Keep" Aisleyne has done more notable things than some other former housemates who have pages on Wikipedia IMHO. Having her own clothing range which has already been released and a swim wear range which is shortly to follow is more than noteworthy. Plus she has been given her own exclusive show on RED TV (12 episodes worth of 60 minute shows) This is also significant and noteworthy. Having her own clothing range is particularly significant because it means that whether people like it or not she has now a skill/talent that can now be defined. She trained in fashion she worked in fashion a few years prior to entering big brother. She has teamed up with a reputable company who have given her the opportunity to bring out her own range. She has not just put her name to someone else's work,she has done the designing etc.. and she also models the clothes as well. Whatever people's personal views are on Aisleyne from the past her glamour work and appearance on BB7 she is moving onwards and upwards. I do not feel that it is fair that her page should be deleted just because people don't like her. If this was the case no one should have a page on wikipedia because quite frankly every person in the public eye has people who don't like them. If this was the case the same rule should be applied to everyone. Whatever people think of Aisleyne and whatever happens she is here to stay and that's what really matters. . Shalom07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shalom07 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

• "comment", I am very sick of saying this, but does having her own clothing range make her notable, I'm sure she wants it so she don't have to go back stacking shelves or appear in a front page of a porn magazine or draped on top of top of a Vauxhall Nova in some chavvy boy racer show. When will people not turn up to these arguments and use fanboy musing as a reason why we should keep this article.

My reason for nominating is not because I don't like her, it is, 1) this article has been recreated a number of times, 2)she still has done nothing totally remarkable, other that come up some fashion range that some newcomer dressmaker would and these articles are commonly speedy deletions candidates. In all, all you claimed for notability is that she has her own webforum, just because you were upset that the C4 and digitalspy forum users hade horrible comments about her and it upset you all so much that you started one dedicated to your hero, I don't think any of these keep nominations have changed my mind on my decision to nominate to have this article deleted, not to mention that these arguments are all the same. Therefore I would like to make clear that WP:ILIKEIT applies to all nominators. Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 21:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

• Comment

I'm sorry but your words alone display your detest of Aisleyne IMHO. As I have said before regardless of what you or anyone else thinks at this present moment in time Aisleyne's public profile is still very much alive. Yes she was in BB7 in 2006 and she came 3RD it may seem a long time ago to some. However she is still very much active apart from recently making a name for herself in fashion she has HER OWN TV SHOW COMING UP ON RED TV. That's 12 episodes worth of 60 MINUTE SHOWS. As far as I am concerned that is quite an achievement for someone who has come out of Big Brother in 2006. It's interesting the way you jump to conclusions about the reasons why I like Aisleyne? Is there a law that says I should hate Aisleyne. By the way she's not my hero, she's just someone who I think should be treated fairly and given a chance like everyone else actually. She has done remarkably well recently considering the junk that has been thrown at her. I don't like or agree with all the things she has done in the past but it doesn't give me the right to be judgmental and it doesn't mean she shouldn't be given a chance IMHO. Thankfully there are people out there who will give her a chance, whether she has a page on wikipedia or not. I rest my case....

• Comment The repeated unfounded suggestions that Aisleyne has appeared in porn magazines indicate that the nominators motive could well be I don't like her.InObs (talk) 23:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
• Comment personally, I think it should be merged as the show is not on air yet, plus plans for the show could fall through at any time, not to mention unverified facts, that is why I left a notability tag there. However, I do agree with the reasoning of the nominator, particularly the clothes bit. Dr Tobias Funke (talk) 00:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Keep - placed in a reality show, some other credits, indicate probable notability. Bearian (talk) 00:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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