Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airline destinations (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. This was just nominated in October and shouldn't have been nominated again, but it passes again anyway. A case could be made for moving this to Wikispace, although I'm not sure what the mechanism would be for such a contested move. Herostratus 04:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Airline destinations (2nd nomination)

Airline destinations (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Creating page, since the user who put up the nomination never did so. DB (talk) 00:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Speedy keep - this was voted on less than two weeks ago and the decision was strongly in favor of keeping it. DB (talk) 00:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete: I never got around to finishing this one, but it is cruft and a list of links. TTV (MyTV|PolygonZ|Green Valley) 02:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 14:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep as per Dbinder. - Mike МиГ 14:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Restatement of List of airports. - Mike МиГ 17:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Please read the previous discussion. It is not a restatement. Vegaswikian 20:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as listcruft-WP:NOT a directory. Seraphimblade 14:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. This article is essentially a restatement of List of airports. wikipediatrix 15:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. In the previous discussion, the issue of being a restatement of List of airports never came up, and the arguments for keeping were mostly "Look at these other things!" Besides, "This was voted on 2 weeks ago" is not a criteria for speedy keep. -Amarkov blahedits 16:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Actually it did come up. It is not a restatement of the list of airports, since that list (supposedly) has every airport in the world. This is intended to show only those which have commercial service, and it serves both as a list and as a guideline for how to list airports in other destination lists. There is a discussion on moving it to project namespace. DB (talk) 20:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Very useful information, all verifiable/notable, and this was just kept a few weeks ago. --- RockMFR 18:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep. Fails to point out the policy it does not follow which is requried as a second nomination. Also the List of airports was disucssed in the previous nomination. Anyone voting delete should first read the previous discussion and address the keep reasons there before voting delete. From my first comments A category is not a list and a list is not a category. The article serves several purposes. One is a list of airports that have had commerical service and not all airports. This is covered in the intro. The other is a source for listing an airport in other articles. Because of location and naming issues, it is not possible to create a guideline that covers this. So this list functions a source for this information. It also serves as a common point on the location of an airport in other destination articles. The order in this article is still being adjusted after several months of discussion as consensus is achieved. Vegaswikian 06:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC). Issues raised during the first discussion about size are being worked on but it takes time to set this up and achieve consensus. Vegaswikian 20:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
    By the way, here is the previous discussion. DB (talk) 20:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, but move out of article namespace. This is useful to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines and WP:Airports projects but it does not rise to the level required per WP:NOT —Cliffb 20:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep; this was just proposed and rejected two weeks ago, and pretty much every substantive issue came up in that AfD. Again, I'd urge renaming to List of cities with commercial airline service or List of airports with commercial airline service, probably the former. This is not at all synonymous with List of airports; only a small subset of airports have airline service. --MCB 21:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I definitely agree that a rename is necessary. --- RockMFR 01:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - a meaningless list, and one which is unmaintainable. It's hard enough to keep per-airport and per-airline lists up-to-date. Also remember what Wikipedia is not. Thanks/wangi 00:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    As I mentioned in the first discussion, it's easy to maintain, since airports aren't constantly shifting back-and-forth from having and not having commercial service. It's much more difficult to maintain the individual lists within the airports, but few have argued that those should be removed. DB (talk) 00:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep but there's a good reason for it; it belongs in project space. I'll do the move if anyone wants... --SunStar Net 00:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep per VegasWikikian, this was only afd'ed a few weeks ago. --Arnzy (talk • contribs) 00:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep... pretty weak, but still a KEEP -- There's a few concerns I have about this article, now that i look through it, but both Vegaswikian's arguments and a few things stated in the last afd have convinced me to keep it. I'm mostly concerned with the accuracy of the article. It's really a very difficult subject to really keep track of, and it will be very challenging for whomever moderates it to keep it accurate considering destinations are dropped left and right in the worldwide airline industry and in some low profile countries/airflines this may not be known for weeks. Also, the article's a bit large to scan through and comes off as disorganized, but that part can be fixed easily with some work. Still, I do see people coming on here to look for this information... the list of airports category and article contains every airport, commercial or not, while this list contains airports with commercial service, something I know is of interest to regular joes, and that itself makes it worth a keep; it's weak one on my part, but I may not change my vote unless something drastic happens. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 03:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
heh, ironically, firefox froze on me and had a shutdown error when I pressed the back button after posting my vote here because the list was that much of a burden on it. The list is just waaay too large, it needs to be cut down somehow, I'm still keeping though, but it really needs to be scaled down. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 03:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I definitely agree on splitting it. We're actually working on that. The talk page has a discussion on how to organize the info. Once that's decided, it will be split. DB (talk) 07:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep, wasn't it just a few weeks ago when I saw this on AFD? Useful and encyclopedic list, lists are not categories and vice versa. This list has its benefits and thus it should not be deleted. --Terence Ong (C | R) 03:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - This was on AfD recently and the result as of 3-Nov-2006 was to keep it (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airline destinations). As for the argument that it is a "restatement" of List of airports: First, that isn't a list at all, it just contains links to other lists such as List of airports by IATA code or List of airports by ICAO code and categories such as Category:Lists of airports. Secondly, many countries do not yet have their own list of airports and the existing lists don't always indicate which airports have scheduled commercial airline service. I might support deleting this at some future date when every country has its own list of airports and those lists indicate which airports have scheduled airline service, but we're not there yet. I agree with the comments about the list being too large - it should be split into smaller lists, probably by continent. - Zyxw 12:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Useful, as it was a few weeks back. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 03:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep, but definitely not a speedy keep. 38.100.34.2 23:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete or Move to list of airports, or Split to several lists, based on continents, but nice list of airports, generated from DB. --MaNeMeBasat 15:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep We just had this AfD and the decision was keep, not no consenus. Useful and encylopedic list. --Oakshade 23:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.