Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airdates of House (TV series)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 17:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Airdates of House (TV series)

Airdates of House (TV series) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Per WP:NOT, this is an indiscriminate collection of information, and Wikipedia is not a TV directory. Also per the AfD of Airdates of Lost. -- Wikipedical 20:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete or redirect to List of House episodes, as nominator. -- Wikipedical 20:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and create redirect as per nom. Budgiekiller 20:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - no valid deletion reason provided. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - as of yet I don't see the purpose of the page, and most of the info seems unverifiable or at least unreferenced. WLU 21:16, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - Er, I almost never vote delete, but this seems almost exquisitely pointless. Unless I'm missing something. --Limegreen 21:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - absolutely useless, as the airdates are already covered on List of House episodes. PTO 21:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as a prime example of why wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of random info. Whether or not this collection of facts is already in the main article, it does not need an article of its own.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 00:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, per nomination. dposse 21:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Merge, the airdates should logically be listed in the episode article in the first place, and only one or two then. Series premiere info should be in the main aritcle. What fevered dream did create such a thing? – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOT#IINFO. Soap opera fandom knows no bounds! Only of trivial interest, and should reside (if at all) in the article House (TV series). Separate article not justified. Ohconfucius 04:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Information on localized versions is commonly included in the main article. Weeds (TV series) and Deal or No Deal are two that spring to mind without even looking. Indeed, this page was originally split off from House (TV series).[1] For those voting to delete rather than merge, are you saying it's improper to include such information in the main article? – Þ  11:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • See also Rome (TV series) and Broadcasting of The Simpsons. In the former, I think the broadcast information is relevant to the article, particularly because some networkss censor the show and some do not, which has lead to controversy. The latter is alternate format to present essentially the same information in a prose style. I think there are broader issues to be considered here and I don't think AfD is really the right forum to address it. – Þ  11:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment is there a policy for including local air dates for every single country in the world where it is broadcast? Further, is there any way to verify this information? I just don't see what it adds to the article. The information is not on localized versions (beyond what it is called in each country, and there's questions about that too), it's just the network and an incomplete listing of unreferenced dates. The Simpsons reference provided contains information about each country, not just an airdate, and the Rome article is not about the debut of the series in other countries (barring Britain), it's about the airdates of individual episodes. WLU 12:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:TV says "Lists with International broadcasting information, or syndication information is often not desired here", where "here" is the introductory paragraph, implying that such lists are appropriate elsewhere, though the project page doesn't mention it again. Clearly, including such information is the de facto standard, which is why I'd like to expand this discussion.

"elsewhere" is not specified, but I read WP:TV to mean [not within project TV/wikipedia]. I do not believe WP:TV makes inclusion of airing of all individual episodes internationally a de facto standard at all. Ohconfucius 07:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Usually, what happens with these things is the network advertises the series on TV, so a local viewer comes to Wikipedia and adds the information. Theoretically, it's verifiable in the sense that if you lived in that country, you could turn on your TV and see the ads for yourself. (See Talk:Weeds (TV series)#Broadcasters as an example.) Beyond that, the networks frequently do publish schedules and occaisionally announce the premiere of a big show via a press release, so we could simply enforce a higher standard of verifiability if that's the problem.

The Simpsons page is slightly better, in that it does go into detail in some instances, but the only part that's sourced is the Spanish version and most of the countries don't have any more information than would fit in a table. (eg. Broadcasting of The Simpsons#Broadcasting) If the prose is preferrable to the table format, we could start migrating them to a longer format. (See also List of Smallville broadcasters and home video releases.)

As for Rome, I guess you didn't see it, but the main article does have the international broadcast information, including the dates of the series premiere and first season conclusion. (Rome (TV series)#Broadcasting) The only thing it doesn't have is the local name, presumably because it's simply "Rome" in the local language. For some series, the name of the show doesn't translate that easily, so the show may go by completely different names. (Smallville is "Young Superman" in Japan and House is apparently known as "God of Medicine" in Hong Kong.) Including the local name in such cases is important because viewers might otherwise think that the shows are different. Not that it's important in every case, but putting it in a table format means you need to have the name for all of them. – Þ  21:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to start a discussion at WT:TV to hopefully get some more input on the broader issue. I think the discussion is better handled there rather than at AfD. – Þ  21:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and WP:NOT. Vegaswikian 01:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I'm confused. What exactly is the content that is objectionable in this article? Wikipedical said something about "the listings of dates and times that a show is on internationally", but that information is not a part of this article. – Þ  10:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
• delete unencyclopedic cruft Pete.Hurd 03:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

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