Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Hamdani

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The result was Delete - Philippe | Talk 06:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ahmed Hamdani

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Not notable, I guess? Real name gives no Google results as well as most of the books. Most search results for "Ahmed Hamdani" are about a musician called "Marghoob Ahmed Hamdani" or a football player. The article has no references. fschoenm (talk) 16:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hut 8.5 16:13, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Can't find any refs under any variant spelling ("Ahmad" etc.). There was a famous (ancient) Urdu poet called Ahmed Hamdani, but it's not this guy. Halfmast (talk) 17:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Is the "famous (ancient[?]) poet" really not this guy? I could not find any explicit reference to an ancient poet with this name, but I found this excerpt of an essay by Saleem Ahmad, from a symposium on "The Future of the Ghazal", which someone posted here

    "My exposition will not be complete, perhaps, without mentioning a tendency that appeared in about 1957 in the ghazal, and which is most pointedly articulated by Zafar Iqbal and some other poets of his ilk. This is the most infamous form of the ghazal because it projects a man who, disillusioned with all the known forms of man that have appeared within the last hundred years, advocates sheer destruction. He uses his creative ability only to destroy. His attitude is full of scorn, irony, derision and vulgarity. He mocks everything, slings mud at it, and distorts it. The advent of the "destructive" man after the man of "feelings" signals the tragic fact that every effort to define man has failed. Basheer Badr, Muhammad Alavi, Anwar Shu'ur and others represent this destructive tendency. It may be mentioned here that the popularity of the ghazals of Ahmad Hamdani in some circles reflects the fond desire in this chaotic period for some familiar image of man. And the distinct echo of Firaq in Ahmad Hamdani's ghazals only helps gratify that desire."

    I am aware that newsgroups are not RS, however the essay is clearly written by someone whith a sound knowledge of Urdu poetry. The above, together with some other tidbits that can be gleaned online, suggests that Ahmed Hamdani is a contemporary poet enjoying significant popularity. Whether the article is worth keeping is another story. L'omo del batocio (talk) 11:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete unless sourced. Article states that he won the Pakistan's Writers Guild Award, which might make him notable, but I can't find a source for that. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:59, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep with a references tag for the moment, and reconsider notability later. Per omo del batocio, I can't judge notability (not speaking urdu etc.) and have WP:CSB in mind here Dsp13 (talk) 14:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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