Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Age at first marriage

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age at first marriage

WP:NOT, indiscriminate collection of information. No sources given whatsoever, so it's most likely either original research or a copyright violation, or both. What's next, Age at first egg cream? wikipediatrix 22:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. This is his source:[1]. zephyr2k 23:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

It's listed as an External link, not a source. I don't click PDF files, but I'll take your word on it. Since there's no other text in the article, and if these statistics were indeed cut and pasted from this un.org site, then it's a copyvio. wikipediatrix 23:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

It's a summarized version of it with no new content added. Maybe we should change this into a copyvio. zephyr2k 23:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment This information is important enough that the UN collects data on it. "Age at first egg cream" is not. Fg2 01:01, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment What is the UN policy on copyright of its statistical data? Fg2 01:01, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Copyright information: [2]. Terms & Conditions: [3]. zephyr2k 02:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

    Thanks. That's quite clear. Fg2 04:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

    I can't really understand this legalese. Doesn't this mean it's a copyvio? "None of the materials provided on this web site may be used, reproduced or transmitted, in whole or in part, in any form or by any means, electronic or mechanical ... without permission in writing from the publisher" zephyr2k 23:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. TJ Spyke 02:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep but only if it's expanded to give context to the numbers, and clear sources are identified within the article (not requiring an external link). Has potential to be an interesting list article (for a change). 23skidoo 06:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment If kept, should be renamed to Average age of people at first marriage by country or something similat. VegaDark 07:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and rename according to VegaDark. The article does need a little clean up but the information is of encyclopedic merit. Marriage is a social institution that drastically affect the lives of it's participant, just as much as say average age of death. What this article needs is to actually have main article like Life expectancy that can put the age of marriage into context (with various cultural norms, social and medical factors etc) which would have this list serve as an applicable content fork. Agne 16:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, not indiscriminate information. Kappa 08:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, rename per VegaDark and state source. Interesting, encyclopedic information. I'm not sure what copyright laws hold. Under English copyright, extracting figures from another publication shouldn't ever be a copyright violation (unless the complete tables are replicated) provided the source is given. The source should definitely be clearly stated. Espresso Addict 19:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • If that's the case and this is not a copyvio, then I have no problem keeping this article. Thanks for the clarification. zephyr2k 22:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.