Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afghanistan Pakistan People's Friendship Association

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Pigman☿ 03:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Afghanistan Pakistan People's Friendship Association

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Non notable organization. Article was originally deleted under CSD A7, but some editors think that was unfair and recreated the stub. So, I'm bringing it here. The organization has virtually no google hits [1], (if we disregard wikipedia and its mirror sites). The two "references" in the article are reports on some seminars organized by the group. Ragib (talk) 21:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

• I have refactored some of the longer discussion to the talk page to aid readability and reduce the amount that people viewing all the day's AFDs have to scroll through. This is not an assertion that that content was not as important, merely that it was longer. Please place all long comments on the talk page. Stifle (talk) 08:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - per WP:N. --Ragib (talk) 21:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Very little coverage by independent reliable sources. The two references given in the article are OK but insufficient to satisfy WP:N. Nsk92 (talk) 21:32, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, but could be recreated if more significant coverage in secondary sources is shown. Cirt (talk) 22:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete due to failure to meet WP:ORG. Stifle (talk) 19:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep according to WP:ORG Notable means "worthy of being noted" or "attracting notice." It is not synonymous with "fame" or "importance." and it also says however, smaller organizations can be notable, just as individuals can be notable, and arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favouring larger organizations. On this basis I believe that this organisation is notable, the two countries have had a complex relationship. Millions of refugees have crossed the frontiers, their are all sorts of issues that affect the two nations. The Afghanistan Pakistan People's Friendship Association does have reliable sources noting its efforts to help Afghan refugees by speaking out on their behalf against government policies and trying to help them resettle. This association is involved in efforts to help the Afghan refugees as well as building a relationship between the two counties. Admittedly their is not a deluge of information on google, but surely deleting it would be indicative of a bias against smaller organisations. This article now has six sources, why was say European Friends of Israel (one external link no refs) not up for deletion or American Iranian Council, Friends of the Soviet Union (Norway). And what of the Friendship Association Norway-Albania? - Check out the google hits for that one and how would it be notable. I believe that the article does indeed meet WP:ORG - if deleted I think this may give rise to an impression that there is some sort of bias against Pakistan related articles. Again I ask that you re-read WP:ORG and visit the examples given above - and hopefully reconsider. Pahari Sahib 20:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep largely agree with Pahari Sahib's rationale - except his statement about suspicion of an anti-Pakistan bias. No harm in keeping this article even if it's compliance with WP:N and WP:ORG are borderline or foggy. Vishnava (talk) 17:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - From the talk page it appears that so far only the relability of Refs #2, 3 and 7 is being questioned. Which implies that all the others are reliable! --IslesCape^Talk 17:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep since it shows a relationship between two countries which makes it a somewhat major organization. Plus the people supporting deletion are criticizing the article's context instead of the notability of the organization, which is the premise that Ragib brought this discussion forward. (Might I remind those users that Wikipedia is a expanding site and the article will expand in due course of time). --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 03:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Keep - I'm not that much concerned about the lack of English-language Ghits; it appears to be notable from its mission, and is a well-cited stub. On the other hand, I think this is a good faith nom: there is little in the way of information available. I'd lean towards keeping it in the expectation that additional print sources be located ASAP. Bearian (talk) 13:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fabrictramp (talk) 14:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Delete: Fails WP:ORG: An organization is generally considered notable if it has been the subject of coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Toddst1 (talk) 16:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment If this is to be deleted, shall we delete Democratic Portugal-China Friendship Association, Finnish Vietnamese Friendship Association, Faroe-Soviet Friendship Association, Sweden-Israel Friendship Association, Polish-Soviet Friendship Society and Friendship Association Norway-Albania as they all "qualify" for deletion since they are not very "notable". They also lack "reliable, independent secondary sources" if not even having any sources. --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 03:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.