Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Advanced Commando Combat System

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete all. Johnleemk | Talk 10:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advanced Commando Combat System, Prof. Dr. Deepak Rao & Dr. Seema Rao

Delete This is a pure vanity page. The anonymous user who created it recently spread the links to this article, and the systems website, in any military or hand to hand combat related page possible, without regard to rules about linkfarming and spamming. Also I do not feel this meets either notability, or quality standards for an encyclopedia (I say the notability standard being someone who is somewhat familiar with combat systems, I've never heard of this, and neither have either of the two professional fighters that I know.) Swatjester 05:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete. Pure vanity. Rorybowman 21:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete per vanity. I'm with Swatjester, Army Ranger here and i've never heard of this stuff.4.224.156.211 06:15, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Note that a google search turns up only 7 relevant topics: All of which are either advertisements from the instructer's brochure, or wiki-style self-entries at answers.com and other sites. Swatjester 06:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

  • This reads to me like advertising copy. -- Simon Cursitor 12:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete since it is fair to say that the number of truly notable training programs with Tripod pages is close enough to zero as makes no odds. Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] 22:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete. Page is pure vanity, persons above are likely the authors/subjects of the article. Google brings only 3 significant sources, "blackbelocombat" and the wikipedia article. Does not meet notability guidelines. Batman2005 07:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - If this could be substantiated with evidence from other sources, it would be sufficiently notable to leave for NPOV editing improvement. However, neither the page, the founders pages, nor the website provide anything I have been able to confirm externally. It might be legit, but I can't find any evidence of it other than its own claims. - Georgewilliamherbert 08:06, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • More evidence to delete' It should be noted that the three "do not delete" users above are all the same user, and have not signed. The links to the tripod.com website are non-verifiable, and the link to the realfighting.com is merely a brochure for the advertisement. Swatjester 08:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC) (note- comments have since been deleted, check history if interested.)
  • Why Delete? - If a few groupists dislike the article, it doesnot constitute grounds for deletion. What more confirmation is required about legit'cy after armed forces reviews & endorsements have been provided. How can the realfighting article be called a brochure? These are misleading statements & shouldnot be resorted to in a logical opinion poll. In any case, it really doesnt matter either ways. Delete or dont read. But dont be biased or get personal.06:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.30.30 (talk • contribs)

See the talk page: Advanced Commando Combat System is copied from http://blackbeltcombat.tripod.com with permissons from the website owner, It is in fact my website, Prof. Dr. Deepak Rao. I have no objections to Wikipedia using material from my website & I would be happy if you republish the deleted page. 07:00, August 19, 2005 (India)

That should be proof enough that this page qualifies for deletion. Swatjester 02:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


Once again u r using leading language. What if Prof. Rao has no objection to publish a page on his art ? It has been published in many places. It doesnot prove anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.183.30.30 (talk • contribs)

Because, multiple reasons. 1) It's not notable, a violation of Wikipedia policy. 2), Prof. Rao wrote it himself, a violation of wikipedia policy. 3) it's original research, a violation of wikipedia policy. 4) it's a vanity article, a violation of wikipedia policy. Need I continue? Swatjester 05:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

While I tend to agree that the article should be deleted, writing an article about yourself is not, as you claim, 'a violation of Wikipedia policy'. Wikipedia:Autobiography says it is 'strongly discouraged' (not forbidden) and is a guideline, not a policy. --Nick Boalch ?!? 23:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
My mistake, I stand corrected. Still, it should be taken in the aggregate as a bad faith effort. Swatjester 23:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
It's not against policy, but it is strongly against guidelines because of the impossibility of writing in WP:NPOV terms about yourself, plus the fact that autobiography will often include facts which are not verifiable from reliable sources. So, like notability, it's a guideline not a policy, but the guideline is a rough-and-ready measure of ability to meet formal policy. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] 23:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I still feel it applies in this case, becaujse when taken as an aggregate with his other actions, it shows bad faith. While it may be a guideline, in this case it's clear there was no attempt at an NPOV article. Swatjester 00:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, absolutely, I don't think there's any question that in this case we don't have an article that complies with our fundamental principles. --Nick Boalch ?!? 08:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the ==vanity evidence== portion it's messing up the main AFD page.

  • Delete per Simon Cursitor and Guy. Comment: Don't remove other people's contributions. If you think the closing admin should disregard them, simply attach a note to that effect. Please sign your contributions with ~~~~ --kingboyk 21:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Rolling in the originators, Prof. Dr. Deepak Rao & Dr. Seema Rao tagged as nn-bio but linked to this. Extend my Delete to cover both. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] 22:48, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


  • extend my delete to both as well. Swatjester 23:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Motion to close Advanced Commando Combat System (consensus->delete)

  1. Swatjester 11:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
  • What's the rush? - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] 12:38, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I've never listed an AfD before, I just figured it'd be quicker because a) there's clear consensus to delete and b) after a certain number of days it goes off the list right? If I'm off on this, I'll voluntarily retract that motion. Swatjester 23:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
  • This motion sounds like WP:-) material to me. XD - Mailer Diablo 05:41, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.