Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adrian Berger

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup 19:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adrian Berger

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Beneath all the school in-jokes, all the article effectively says is "this person is a school teacher". However good he is, and however much his students (dis)like him, that is not enough - see WP:BIO. I cannot find any external references to the "numerous historical works" he is said to have published. Google entries that refer to him are, on the whole, copies of this article. (There are a couple of quotations in newspaper articles, but not enough to justify his inclusion as an educational commentator). The one book mentioned in the article ("A Berger: Memoirs" - Adrian Berger, Defton Press 2006 ISBN 0-441-59445) is not to be found through Google or Amazon and may well be a hoax. If it were simply that the article is poorly written and contains lots of material that is unashamedly said to be "unlikely to be true, and ... difficult to verify", I would have a go at cleaning up the article. But there would be nothing worth saving afterwards - hence my AfD nomination. Bencherlite 22:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

In fact it's even worse than that: when you remove from a Google search pages that refer to the murder of someone of the same name , you're down to only 2 newspaper quotes that undoubtedly refer to him that aren't WP sites or mirrors i.e. [1], [2]. Bencherlite 00:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Fails WP:BIO. This gentleman is probably great, but he's not notable. --J Morgan(talk) 23:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete No notability claims, could probably be speedied. -Elmer Clark 23:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. A mildly entertaining secondary school teacher with a tutoring gig on the side. No evidence to support the claim of notability: I can't find the cited memoirs, and the book he's allegedly writing doesn't count towards the notability claim as "we're not a crystal ball". Off he goes. WMMartin 17:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, even though I'm an ex-student of his, because, simply he fails BIO – DBD 19:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep some of it, delete the rest Adrian Berger is someone I know reasonably well. I have to disagree with some of these points that you all have stated. Yes, there seems to be some very unbelievable "facts," which he himself has informed me of, but let me just explain that there are some things that are 100% true in this article, and it would be a shame to delete them:

1) Adrian Berger has told me that he does have a FIFTY-FIRST STATE CAMPAIGN. He is planning to make England a fifty-first state of America. His slogans are - "You can go further with Berger," and "You'll have no beef with Berger," just as the article states. 2) Adrian Berger is planning to write a book, called "Hays for Defence," which he says will take him several years to write. It will be a sort of biography on Arthur Garfield Hays, a well-known lawyer in the 20th Century. 3) He does have an eccentric teaching style, integrating into his lessons "Berger" minutes, an improvised time length, and incorporating signs into the sessions, such as the DOUBLE V, a typical American victory symbol, something that he explained personally to me.

Do not delete all of this article. There is some truth in it, but not all of it is correct. Keep in the elements of the text that I have confirmed as factual information, please, because Adrian Berger is the most enthuastic and knowledgable historian that I have ever met, with a most interesting background, directly linked to WWII. Do you not think that his life deserves to be recorded? Oliverholib 10:00pm February 13th 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.108.25.43 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Comment Although the above comment was apparently written by an IP user, it is more likely to be from Oliverelholiby who left the same comments on the article talk page, which I suggested would be better here. (I have left a message on his talk page suggesting he uses ~~~~ to sign messages.) I remain unmoved, sorry. Bencherlite 22:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Reply Oliver, the fact is that this encyclopaedia is not a free-for-all. There are rules and regulations about what goes on here. And, no matter how fantastic Mr Berger is (and I concur heartily, having engaged in many a witty repartée with him in my day), if he fails the Notability criteria, then little else matters. I know you may respect Mr Berger very highly, enjoy his lessons thoroughly, and admire him greatly for being such an eccentric figure, but he doesn't belong here. Besides, are not Messrs Worrall, Burcher, Bryant, Johnson, Tillett, Perrott, Bish etc etc not just as worthy? Would you also create encyclopaedic entries on all of these great men? If you really want to document KEGS teachers, then a KEGS wiki would be a place to do that (let me know if you are hell-bent on doing so - I could lend an expert hand!) Yours, Dan Barnes-Davies aka – DBD 22:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete given "some truth in it" how can we possibly know what part is verified? As there is no accessible source, the book has an invalid ISBN & even the publisher isnt findable on Google, fails V. thoroughly. DGG 06:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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