Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Heart

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Artist is not notable - While imdb may be a good place to start, it in itself is not considered a reliable source and cannot establish notability. Nor do Youtube, Geocities, free webhosts, online stores, official homepages, etc. Fails WP:N. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Heart

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Fails WP:RS other than MySpace pages. Anthony Rupert (talk) 00:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment More citations added, his imdb page and links to former labels website. Adam Heart does not have an independent homepage, however this does not make him irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatomega (talk • contribs) 01:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep It's a good article, and i think it's notable enough. LukeTheSpook (talk) 08:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete: Although this may be a WP:HEY instance, regardless that the article superficially follows good form, there is not a single reliable source in it. Google's little help; the vast majority of hits are for coronary disease-related topics. As it stands, this article does not pass WP:V.  RGTraynor  14:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 14:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment He was in the Illiad, which passed fine through here, his producer is multi-platinum, and he's on the imdb which is no cakewalk to get onto, he's been covered by notable musicians, what is not reliable here? I could maybe see some content needing removed but the entire article? It just seems very spiteful given the amount of proof that is there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatomega (talk • contribs) 16:56, 9 April 2008 (UTC) — Greatomega (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Reply: IMDB is in fact quite easy to get into -- any extra or wannabe auteur with a 5-minute indie short can do it -- notability is not inherited, and this article still doesn't pass WP:BAND or contain any reliable sources. I strongly recommend reviewing WP:RS, which will give you a notion for what we are looking.  RGTraynor  21:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
• Reply: Well, smarty pants, he didnt do 5-minute auteur films and he isnt an extra, and I really don't think you have grounds for that argument. Are YOU on imdb, do you know anyone who is? He did established straight to video releases. They're complete crap, and they suck, and even his soundtracks arent that good, but that doesnt make them illegit. Look, what if I cited proof of his movie work, Tempe video, Amazon? I'll just go do it and maybe that'll help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatomega (talk • contribs) 22:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: Funny you should mention it; my brother-in-law, in fact, has an IMDB entry [1], as an extra appearing in a handful of films. That being said, while you're reviewing WP:RS -- because we still require reliable, independent, third-party sources about the subject -- I also commend to you WP:CIVIL and assume good faith.  RGTraynor  00:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: Hooray for Hollywood. Good faith would be refraining from the snobbery you exude in each opinion you express. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greatomega (talk • contribs) 06:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• Well, while you're continuing your uncivil antics, Heart's supposedly passing because his band passes muster probably isn't going to survive the band's own AfD. Cheers,  RGTraynor  00:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment I think he's notable enough. LukeTheSpook (talk) 21:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: I don't necessarily think this guy should be deleted, but some changes definitely need to be made. It is notable that he is on imdb, but I would not consider four films to be "a long string of films" or whatever they called it. Also, the article says that these four films are his most notable scores, but imdb clearly states that they are his only scores. As far as deletion, it's definitely a topic of debate. There is no significant third-party info about this guy to be found anywhere except for that crazed fan who is trying to start a cult (not a reliable source). He is not on allmusic.com, he has fewer than two-thousand fans on myspace, he is unsigned, he hasn't released an album yet--self-released or otherwise--and as far as being covered by "notable musicians," he seems to only have been covered by nicholas megalis (whoever that may be). More sources would be nice, but I just don't think there is much information out there on this person. There is definitely a case for deletion, but let's at least clean up the article a little, and please make the writing a little more encyclopaedic. I feel like a tourist (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete: Per nom and others. I now agree that this person simply cannot be considered to be notable if no one is talking about him (and thus, no way to verify the majority of the article).I feel like a tourist (talk) 20:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Note: I checked out the entry for the band you mentioned he was in (The Iliad), and it, too, needs some work. I fixed some formatting problems, but the entry has no sources at all. Check it out. Something should be done about this; a discussion should be started.I feel like a tourist (talk) 20:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Appears to be a former member of a non-notable band and worked on the soundtrack for some non-notable independant films and in pre-production of a solo album (which is non-notable per WP:CRYSTAL). I see no establishment of notability beyond that. Until a reputable source is actually talking about him (not just listing his works), I see no reason for an article on Wikipedia. -Verdatum (talk) 21:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep- As per LukeTheSpook —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.93.192.236 (talk) 21:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Reply: What evidence is there that this non-recorded artist is notable enough to be on Wikipedia? What 3rd party sources verify these claims? I feel like a tourist (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment One generally should avoid justifying their position by citing the comments of a user who also failed to justify his position. Also, this is only the second edit on record for this anonymous IP address. -Verdatum (talk) 20:07, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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