Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adam Boyes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, all four articles. As delete voters note, all four of these individuals seem to fail our notability standards at WP:ATHLETE.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 23:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Boyes

Adam Boyes (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Footballer fails WP:Bio#Athletes as he has never played in a fully-professional league before Jimbo^[online] 11:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages because they too fail notability at WP:Bio#Athletes:

Jimmy Beadle (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Andy McWilliams (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Liam Shepherd (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. —Jimbo^[online] 12:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:FOOTYN. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 13:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - the criteria at WP:FOOTYN state the players must "Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure (FPNL club). This must be supported by evidence from a reliable source on a club by club basis for teams playing in leagues that are not recognised as being fully professional."

-All four players have played at a national level, the Conference National -All four players have played at a fully professional club, York City F.C.. -All four have played in at least one match against ANOTHER fully professional club at this national level: Boyes (Oxford United F.C.), Beadle (Oxford United F.C. & Torquay United F.C., along with almost thirty other clubs of similar stature while at Scarborough F.C.), McWilliams ((Oxford United F.C. & Torquay United F.C.), Liam Shepherd ((Oxford United F.C.).

How does that not satisfy the criteria? More to the point, why are we obsessing over deleting pages rather than expanding and improving WP? Me677 (talk) 01:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Because WP:FOOTYN doesn't set the criteria, the criteria is set at WP:Bio - which they all fail. --Jimbo^[online] 10:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be clarified? It seems daft to allow certain players for having played a single game in a fully professional league (e.g. Goma Lambu) yet not these and others, such as the deleted Martyn Woolford who have made 100s appearances and won awards in what is by all general definitions a 90% full time, national league competition. Why should half the YCFC squad qualify and not the others? What's deleting these ones achieving? Just confused really, this seems a waste of all our time. Me677 (talk) 11:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep, as they play for a professional team (York) on the national level of English football. 96T (talk) 12:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment your keep contradicts the notability set at WP:ATHLETE --Jimbo^[online] 09:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete all - none meet WP:ATHLETE. This is quite straightforward; these people fail the agreed notability guidelines. The keepers are trying to argue for a keep based on an informal standard agreed within a project. This has previously been tested at DRV where the authority of WP:ATHLETE over project guidelines has been clearly established. TerriersFan (talk) 21:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete all. All 4 of the players do not meet the requirements listed on either WP:FOOTY and WP:ATHLETE. Even though they play at the national level does not mean that they are notable. Does this mean that every single national level player for every sport deserves their own page? If that is the case, then we would be swamped with tons of articles. Razorflame 21:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep: Doesn't the York City F.C. count as "professional"? –thedemonhog talk • edits 23:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Reply No, although the club is professional, they fail notability because the league they play in is not fully-professional. --Jimbo^[online] 23:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Okay, weak delete. –thedemonhog talk • edits 23:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.