Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Absolute poker

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 00:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Absolute poker

Delete Weak delete (see below) - Blatant spam  — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  17:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete spam, and likely fails WP:Corp.--Húsönd 17:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, I hate to defend spam as much as anyone... but this company seems to at least have a case for meeting WP:CORP. Their recent "Win your tuition" tournament made some news. [1], it's mentioned as a site targetting college students with gambling [2]... not really familiar with this industry but they seem to be somewhat notable in it. --W.marsh 17:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Has an Alexa ranking of 9,364, which seems to be very high amongst other poker websites. I don't think you really can get information about the website from a 3rd party source, though. --Nishkid64 19:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - SPAM and lacks NPOV. --Bill.matthews 20:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong keep: It reads like spam, but it is one of the top 5 online poker sites. That in itself is notable. I agree that it definitely needs to be rewritten.... the article shouldn't be deleted though. Card Player Magazine is the most respected poker magazine, so please see this article. Just so you know, I put the {{cleanup-rewrite}} and {{advert}} tags on the article. In short, I agree it needs to be rewritten, but it certainly needs to have an article... and it certainly passes WP:CORP and WP:WEB. --Storkk 22:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep As the stub I have torn it down to. "A reputation as a site on which one can earn easy money"? Yeah, of course that's not spam... Irongargoyle 22:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep/redirect. Clearly merits an article, although more than two sentences. Should be redirected to Absolute Poker as that is the name of the company. Obviously passes WP:WEB and also WP:CORP. 2005 22:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment - agreed, it needs a renaming. Please see the talk page. --Storkk 22:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd just put the redirect on it now, but I don't know if that would mess up this page. (Added... Just did it, with the afd tag still pinting here.) 2005 23:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Er, it actually needs a history merge now, technically, since a copy-and-paste pagemove was done. Oh yeah, Keep rewritten article, nice work 2005 et al. --W.marsh 23:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Comment: I'm kinda new... couldn't a {{Db-move}} on Absolute Poker be done? Then the idea would be to move Absolute poker to the new empty page. If I'm being an idiot, please reply on my talk page so that I can save and absorb the correct procedures here Thanks, Storkk 23:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that's basically what a history merge is, except then any new edits on the target page can be undeleted after the move, so the entire history is preserved. --W.marsh 23:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Absolute Poker is obviously a notable poker company and warrants an article. If the current article has problems it should be edited, not deleted. Rray 01:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep This is why 'spam' isn't a speedy-delete criterion; adverts about notable companies can be cleaned up and NPOVd rather than deleted. --ais523 09:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. It is a solid, mid-sized online poker room and is highly notable. The article reads like spam, though, and needs serious attention. SmartGuy 15:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - I agree that the page has improved dramatically since I nominated it for AFD at this version. However, I still feel it has the feel of on an advert - the screen-shot attracts people to try the site, which is what an advert would do. Reference labels such as "It's an Absolute Poker Party at WSOP" don't help either. User:Storkk has asked me to consider withdrawing my nomination. At the moment I don't feel I can do this. — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  17:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
    • The reference title is the title of the article/reference. The way newspapers or magazines title their articles isn't our concern, and should not be a criteria to judge the value of an article on a company that is the subject of an article. 2005 22:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, major poker site with over 10,000 players online at the moment. bbx 03:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep and de-spam per the above comments. Yamaguchi先生 09:12, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.