Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abing

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 01:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Abing

Abing (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Was this musician notable? I think it's a tough call, but I'd say no. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 14:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep. Reliable sources do exist ([1]). There is a reference to this man in Blind musicians, but in that article he is referred to by his real name, Hua Yanjun. --Blanchardb-Me•MyEars•MyMouth-timed 15:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. -- BelovedFreak 15:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- BelovedFreak 15:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC. Sources prove he exists. Is he notable? Ahh, no.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 22:34, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep - This is ludicrous--the proposing editor clearly doesn't know anything about this subject (and didn't take any time to look it up), because Abing is regarded in the PRC as one of the most important musicians of the 20th century. The fact that the editor proposing deletion did not take the 40 seconds it would have taken to notify the article's creator shows bad faith, and reinforces the suspicion that this is a disruptive proposal. Badagnani (talk) 03:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
    • The fact that this editor makes an optional notification supposedly mandatory shows that this keep vote is disruptive. --Nlu (talk) 03:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - And as for your claim that Abing is "not an important musician"? That's one of the strangest and most inaccurate statements I've ever read from any editor at WP, ever. Badagnani (talk) 03:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Nothing is in the article that established that he was notable. He may be notable. But without independent knowledge, I can't say that he is -- and that is something the article was supposed to establish. In any case, there was a reason why I submitted this for AfD; if I were sure that he was not notable, I'd have speedy deleted it myself. --Nlu (talk) 03:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - You can protest; that is fine. However, it's clear that you should have begun with a posting at the discussion page, asking whether this person was notable; or, even better, done about 7 minutes of Internet research. That would have been the proper and courteous course of action. Just because we have a tool doesn't mean we have to use it to assault our content, or other editors; we should work together to improve, not blank or delete, our content. Please consider editing in a more thoughtful manner in future, and consider your attempt to delete an article on a musician that musicians throughout the PRC regard as the quintessential traditional musician of the 20th century a caution to yourself. We all need that from time to time. Badagnani (talk) 04:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per Paul Erik. I strongly suggest the nominator review WP:BEFORE. Deletion is not cleanup, and using it as such can damage the project Bfigura (talk) 04:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per all the above. Also agree with Bfigura that deletion is not cleanup and that nominator should be convinced that article deserves deletion before nominating it as such. Don't ask us questions and don't tell us it's a hard call. If you're not sure, tag it with {{notability}} instead of nominating it for deletion. --Bardin (talk) 08:14, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. This musician was pivitol to the development of erhu music. His compositions are the most famous and most played in current erhu repertoire (i.e. Erquan, etc). Indeed, not many have written about him but that does not suggest unimportance. If you remove him, you might as well remove all the erhu players and maybe the erhu itself (he's that important in my eyes; the Mozart of the erhu world). --Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 09:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - easily passes WP:MUSIC and WP:N guidelines. Plenty of significant coverage in reliable sources.
  • Keep I'm satisfied that notability has been well-established.--T. Anthony (talk) 00:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.