Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abelian grape

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the notability guideline. Davewild (talk) 09:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Abelian grape

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An article about a nonnotable mathematical joke. Wikipedia is not a jokebook. P.S. an the pun is very poor. `'Míkka>t 17:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete As above comments. BigDunc (talk) 17:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per above, plus, nothing links to it. --Atlantima (talk) 17:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• It's a pretty well-known joke, but still, it's a joke. Delete. DJ Clayworth (talk) 17:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. It's about as notable as a bad mathematics joke can be (which may well not be notable enough). Certainly plenty of Google hits, for what it's worth. Klausness (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete stupid -- Y not be working? 21:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge to Abelian group. There are many Google hits to sites telling or referring to the joke but not writing non-trivially about it. Plausible search term for people who don't know it's a joke. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to mathematical joke. It's a well known joke, but does not merit its own article. Gandalf61 (talk) 09:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, because not notable. Well known does not imply notable. For something to be notable, it must not only be mentioned but also be analysed. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 12:31, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge per Gandalf. It's been a part of the culture for a few decades, so it's not inappropriate to mention it, but it's not all that good either. Michael Hardy (talk) 17:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Merge I would prefer the target to be Abelian group, since it's not one of the listed jokes. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. There are myriads various puns, witticisms, inside jokes in the world in various languages. Not notable to include anywhere. Unless you may find an boook that has encyclopedic discussion of this joke: origins, authorship, explanation, etc. Mukadderat (talk) 21:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. Have you seen the Google scholar hits? And the thousands of Google web hits probably also has interesting mentions. This is not just any math joke. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment Indeed. Notable enough to get over 4,000 Google hits and to be mentioned in MathWorld, which references Renteln, P. and Dundes, A. Foolproof: A Sampling of Mathematical Folk Humor. Notices Amer. Math. Soc. 52, 24-34, 2005. Gandalf61 (talk) 10:21, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Comment So what? The joke was reprinted. Many jokes are reprinted. I dont' say it is not a funny joke for mathematicians. The objection was that it lacks "encyclopedic discussion of this joke: origins, authorship, explanation, etc.", i.e., lacks encyclopedic notability. Or at least the article does not demonstrate it. Mukadderat (talk) 15:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete the tag {{funnybut}} would appear to give the most appropriate reasons for this. As well as WP:NOT. BigHairRef | Talk 19:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. I don't see the point of making abelian grape an article. It's just not an important topic, unlike the Wiener sausage article I recently created. Now Zorn's Lemon on the other hand. Now that I would support! --C S (talk) 13:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Boy, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised but Udonknome (guy right below me) nominated Wiener sausage for AFD. Craaaazy. And I gave it as an example of something that shouldn't be deleted! --C S (talk) 23:29, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: as BigHairRef said... Udonknome (talk) 18:54, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete --Alterrabe (talk) 20:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, non-notable. -- Fropuff (talk) 04:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.