Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdullah ibn Harith

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The result of the debate was Delete (3 delete votes, 1 keep vote repeated by same voter) --Allen3 ^talk 12:41, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Abdullah ibn Harith

Non-notable. No Google hits Denni☯ 2005 July 3 23:43 (UTC)

• Comment. There's a whole mess of these kinds of articles listed at Family tree of Abu Bakr ibn abu Qahafa. No clue on how important they are to Islam, but I'm guessing they ought to be merged somewhere, perhaps into Abu Bakr. No vote, pending information from someone who knows this stuff.

• NOT delet Its me that is adding them. Its included in my effort to have an entry for all sahaba and relatives of sahaba. in the beginning its going to be sparse on information on each character, but it will get better. besides, every person needs their own article in order to follow a family tree from one cousin to another, for example. have patience, this stuff needs time to grow, its like a spinning a spider webb, you dont get the whole webb att once. :) People will start contribution more and more to those as time goes and people notice them. Take Ziyad ibn Abu Sufyan for example, look att its "history" and youll see what i mean. --Striver 4 July 2005 00:40 (UTC)
• Delete notability not established. JamesBurns 4 July 2005 01:27 (UTC)
• Delete, for nn. --Alex12 3 4 July 2005 06:10 (UTC)
• NOT delet Better? This person needs his own article, i tell you! He is a sahaba and if somebody wants to find somthing on him, he wount go to some other characters article, he will go to the sahaba article and try to find him! It is NOT unrelevant, it is a part of the early muslim history! --Striver 4 July 2005 17:06 (UTC)
• Comment: I would have said keep, but if (as that article currently claims, very implausibly) there were 100,000 sahaba, they can't very well all be intrinsically notable. Google doesn't reveal much more than a couple of hadith he narrated and some Christian sites calling him one of the first copyists of the Qur'an. I think a little more evidence of notability is in order. - Mustafaa 4 July 2005 18:04 (UTC)
• Coment It does exist more than 100 000 companions, 120 000+ where gathered in Gadire Khumm. Ther is a List of schools by country. the List of schools in the United Kingdom has more entries than the sahaba list. I dont get why each school gets a entry, but each Sahaba dont get to have it. --Striver 4 July 2005 18:53 (UTC)

• Being a Sahaba just isn't encyclopedic on its own if 100,000 people were Sahaba. What makes this one more notable than the rest? Did he spend more time with the prophet, say? Did he narrate a particularly important hadith, or play a major part in some battle? Or was he promised Paradise, say? If he's just some guy that met the prophet for an hour, he's not worth having an article on. - Mustafaa 4 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)

• Coment Why not? If it was a encyclopedic book i would agree with you 100%, but now we are talking about an electronic encyclopedia. Note that not all schools listed in the List of schools in the United Kingdom are very big...

The reason for having an article for every one of them is simple: If a person has a wife, child and father, and he is not supposed to have and article by himself, then the relative small info that we have on him must be duplicated to every notable relative he has. And that would just clog all those articles with info that is not very relevant for them. And take up much more space than just adding any info to each person. Note that when a Sahaba narrates a hadith, even if there is no info on the sahaba himself, it can help to see in which family he was brought up in and which people he associated with. further, if following a family tree from one person to another, it is important to have an unbroken chain to see how everybody are related. That is not possible if everybody don't have their own family tree. The alternative would be to have one HUGE family tree of 100 000 people, but that would be unreadable, even if ti where in 3D.

Arguments for havin a article for each sahaba:

1) They all matter. many narrated or where in narration chains.

2) To see how they are related with other in case there is not much data available.

3) To see how the more prominent sahaba are related to each other without loosing readability.

4) WP is not a book! If there can be a List of schools in the United Kingdom, why not a complete list of sahaba? How much data can that be in total? the whole article right now is 1,68 kB big. Of whe have 90 000 equal sahaba, that would make 150 000 kb = 150 megabite. How much does that cost? 20 dollars? Isn't that worth for having a complete list of Sahabas, with a article for each one of them?

--Striver 4 July 2005 20:43 (UTC)

and while your at it, take and read this admins main page:

User:Mel_Etitis

--Striver 7 July 2005 19:19 (UTC)

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