Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdeslam Boulaich
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. John254 00:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Abdeslam Boulaich
Admin removed CSD#A7 from this article, I believe inappropriately. Removal comment was “Actually, this might be interesting if it can be expanded. Bowles is apparently notable for this sort of work”. This article is about Abdeslam, not Bowles (who has his own article). Further, A7 states speedy deletion is appropriate when an article “does not indicate why its subject is important or significant. This is distinct from questions of notability, verifiability and reliability of sources”. CSD makes no consideration of what “might be interesting”. The article asserts no importance or significance.
Admin provided several possible sources on the talk page, which either do not constitute reliable sources as defined by WP:RS/WP:V, or are, again, about Bowles. This is a moot point, however, as notability is not the threshold for inclusion here (CSD#A7 explicitly differentiates between "importance or significance" and notability). ЭLСОВВОLД talk 16:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep and expand if possible. Unfortunately, the remainder of my comment was cut off; a simple search in English found 1,800 hits on Boulaich. Obviously, a lot of that will be chaff - but he has a book listed on Amazon, and there's an English course that discusses one of his works. That is enough to warrant keeping the article so that we can investigate if more material can be found to expand it. (With regard to the nom's assertion that the removal of the tag was "inappropriate", and the comment on my talk page, it is important to note that the speedy deletion guidelines explicitly state "deletion is not required if a page meets these criteria" and "Any editor who is not the creator of a page may remove a speedy tag from it." Speedies are a request for deletion, not a directive; as an administrator, I'm supposed to assess if the request is warranted and act accordingly. As an editor, I'm entitled to disagree with another editor's opinion.) --Ckatzchatspy 18:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
- Please read comments critically. Phrasing of “appears to be an unambiguous judgment error” and “I believe your removal of the CSD from Abdeslam Boulaich to be inappropriate” are clear in their expression that are my opinions, not that they are correct and/or constitute a "directive". Your entitlement to disagree is not in dispute. ЭLСОВВОLД talk 19:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
- Comment on the speedy denial issue. Speedy is supposed to be declined if there is an assertion of importance, and being a storyteller may not be one, but being a translated storyteller surely is. It is not proof of notability, but it's sufficient to deny speedy. Speedy was declined, and we are now in AFD, so the issue is moot. --Dhartung | Talk 20:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. His work passes criterion 4 of WP:BK as the subject of instruction at multiple grade schools, high schools, universities or post-graduate programs [1] [2] [3] [4]. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- Very Weak Keep. I tried adding some references but what I could find was very minimal. I couldn't find any biographical data. Things like this would be useful to the article. Renee (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
