Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Webster

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 00:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aaron Webster

A sad story but not really notable. Hundreds of people are murdered every day - do each of them deserve a Wikipedia page? I think not. Delete Bombycil 04:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, non-notable biography. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 05:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. His murder seams to have certain importance within the gay community, specially in Canada and USA. "Aaron Webster" murder has 17,400 non-wikipedian google hits. Some links: Memorial, Prime time crime, Eagle. Mariano(t/c) 09:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete 4 1/2 year old crime that didn't achieve the kind of symbolic status to make his death more than just a senseless murder. Eusebeus 17:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn bio--Kalsermar 18:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep and rewrite I live in the area and this is a HUGE news story. It definitely deserves its own article, but needs a lot of clean-up and such. But yes, this news story is definitely notable around these parts -- one of the most famous Vancouver hate-crimes in recent history. Buchanan-Hermit™..CONTRIBS..SPEAK! 20:07, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge On second thoughts, Keep, cleanup and expand. Worthy also of a mention in Violence against gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and the transgendered. Seems to be a notable enough incident to merit an article with 15,800 Google hits for "Aaron Webster" murder. Cactus.man ✍ 20:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I echo all the comments by Cactus.man above. --Dogbreathcanada 21:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep -- as someone with experience on both sides of the news media, it bugs me how "local man killed" gets two column inches while far less notable events get features. An encyclopedia is the place for this. It's the sort of thing that someone, in some unknown future, will want to remember and research as relevant to our time. Adrian Lamo · (talk) · (mail) · 21:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - do we have any kind of guidelines on inclusion for articles on criminals and/or their victims? Peyna 23:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Not that I know of. My own rule of thumb is that if someone's murder results in riots, national outrage, triggers a civil war, or the passage of legislation to keep it from ever happening again (such as Amber Hagerman), then the victim certainly rates an article. Crypticfirefly 06:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as notable. Nominator should remember that notability is how notable /the world/ finds a topic, not whether or not we feel it deserves an article. If the hundreds of people who get murdered each day got as many google hits and discusion as this person, then, yes, they would all 'deserve' a Wikpedia page. Turnstep 03:01, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I see that at the time this story got quite a lot of coverage (e.g. Chicago Tribune-- not even in the same country-- had an article of decent length on the incident), some 1,500 showed up for a vigil/demonstration, etc. Crypticfirefly 06:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep and expand. I remember the story, it made news outside of the Vancouver area. Darkcore 06:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep per Cactus.man. Ardenn 07:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Needs some rewriting, for sure, but definitely keepable. This was national news in Canada, even got some news attention in the United States per Crypticfirefly, and a much more thoroughly encyclopedic article is very possible. I didn't even have to read the article to remember this — one look at the article title and I knew exactly who and what it was. Any chance I could conscript a Canuck and/or queer contingent into a little group project to get this one up to snuff? Bearcat 10:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep this was a reasonalby high-profile case up here, certainly in the gay press. At the very least it meets the Pokemon Test. Should also have articles on Henry Durost and Janko Naglic, for that matter. Carolynparrishfan 20:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh, dear gawd... Bearcat 00:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. A lot of media coverage, a lot of notariety. Skeezix1000 22:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable, this person was just known less than Matthew Shepard. --FlyingPenguins 01:48, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• I've done some expansion on this. Certainly there's still more that could be done, but hopefully I've made a decent start. Bearcat 06:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. and thanks for listing it here. By doing so, it has become the latest thing I've learned on Wikipedia. -- Samuel Wantman 21:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Bearcat and others. Ground Zero | t 05:17, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete because the article denies notability of the subject (e.g., not first murder of its type, just more press coverage than the norm). Monicasdude 17:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. David Sneek 17:54, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
• weak keep/move to something like Aaron Webster controversy or something -- getcrunkjuice^contribs 00:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.