Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Beautiful Sunset

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. There may be a time in the future when this individual comic merits its own article; that time is not now, before its release. Deletion succeeds per strength of argument. Xoloz (talk) 15:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Beautiful Sunset

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I cannot fathom why we need an entire article on a single issue of a comic that isn't even released yet. Phil Sandifer 02:55, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete not notable now. JJL 03:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: Non notable now, and probably won't be notable then. We'll see. - Rjd0060 04:22, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. If it had been published, I'd say merge the information into Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight, of which this is a part. Since there's already adequate mention there, this article can be deleted. ZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 04:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Too premature for existence as an article (yet). • Lawrence Cohen 06:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
• It may be too early to exist now, but later on it should fall under WP:EPISODE ruling, its medium notwithstanding.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 13:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep This marks the introduction of the main villain within the current "season". That should grant it a significant place within the comic. We already have plenty of articles for unreleased films, television, music and prose. Comics should be no different.--Pushsense (talk) 14:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
  • They're not - we have many articles on upcoming series. But the norm with comics is not to have an article on every issue to begin with. Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:49, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
    • We do have articles on single issues of major series if it can be shown that the issue is significant to the series as a whole. All indications show that this issue will be.--Pushsense (talk) 12:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
      • A, WP:CRYSTAL. B, I am unaware of many such articles - Action Comics 1 is the only one I can find, and it's not very good. Phil Sandifer (talk) 14:37, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
        • A, The article is about a future comic, but contains no crystal ball information, and it's existence is not "crystal ball", it's very much confirmed. B, Plenty. Apart from ridiculously well known issues like The Killing Joke, there are plenty of lesser known single issues, like What's so funny about Truth, Justice & the American Way?. There's even a category for one-shot titles. --Pushsense (talk) 17:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Currently one of the biggest selling comics in the world even rivalling Marvel & DC publications which traditionally dominate the market, and the series has buzz across the media including having had articles in magazines as high profile as Entertainment Weekly. Continue to improve and gradually add use of sources as release date approaches. - Paxomen (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Sure. Last month Buffy was the 9th best-selling comic. But we don't have articles on individual issues of the other 8. Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
    • We do. See The Chain (Buffy comic)
      • He's referring to idividual X-Men and JLA stuff. We don't have an article for "Thy Kingdom Come", although we do have one for arcs like "The Lightning Saga" and "X-Men: Endangered Species" though.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 18:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
        • I can't be certain about X-Men, but I'm fairly sure we have a couple of articles on individual JLAs. We definitely do have articles for individual Batmans and Supermans, as mentioned earlier. In any case, whether to keep the article should be decided by content, not length. The current solicitation info suggests this will be a significant issue.--Pushsense (talk) 23:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
          • As long as the article is fleshed out with real world infromation about conceptual histories, writing technique, artistic input, fan/critical reaction/analyses and sales then each of these articles has potential for GA article, as do several Buffy episodes (although none of progressed the way some Lost/Simpsons articles have).~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 15:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletions. —Hiding Talk 11:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.