Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ASCII comic

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, verifiability questioned and no reliable sources provided. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 03:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ASCII comic

ASCII comic (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

HTML Comic was nominated for deletion on 2006-03-03. The result of the discussion was "no consensus". For the prior discussion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HTML Comic.

Minor concept, simply a webcomic drawn with ASCII, unsourced, likely unsourceable and with few chances of expansion. It should be redirected to ASCII art bogdan 17:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect - to ASCII art. Please make sure there is no reference to nerd boy, an ascii comic already deleted via afd. After deletion, the content was added to the article ASCII comic and Nerd Boy was redirected to it. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • How can there be no reference to Nerd Boy, when it is the most popular ASCII art comic? When an article is deleted, it doesn't mean that its topic cannot be mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. This is just ridiculous.  Grue  17:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I guess i have no personal preference. I just wanted it to be know that the article had been deleted via WP:AFD. There was no consensus to merge or move the content elsewhere. Re-creating it in a different article does not make it more keepable than the original article (that was nonetheless deleted) -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
    • It does if the article was deleted for being unverifiable, which was the argument made by several editors in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nerd Boy (2nd nomination) and not refuted with a citation of a single source, either then or in this re-addition of the same content. Unverifiable material does not belong in any Wikipedia article. Uncle G 21:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep there seems to be a continued crusade to delete ASCII-art related content recently. It is just convenient to have this article on its own page, because it is related both to ASCII art and webcomics. It could be easily expanded with sections on various notable ASCII comics, such as "Red Baron", the first ever ASCII comic, legendary "ASCII Art Farts" and so on. Just because nobody bothered to do that up till now doesn't mean that it will stay stubby for eternity.  Grue  17:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • You'd fare far better by showing that the assertions that the article is unverifiable are false. You've nowhere addressed verifiability in your entire argument. Uncle G 18:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Okay, first I need to know, what statement in the article do you find nonverifiable?  Grue  18:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
      • Even if they are verifiable, verifiability is not the same as notability. I can't see a reason why this can't be a Merge and redirect into ASCII art, either EliminatorJR 19:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
        • If it's unverifiable, which has been the challenge levelled at this content without answer since 2007-01-03, it cannot be. Uncle G 21:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
      • I suggest that you read what I wrote again, and start to address verifiability. Looking at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nerd Boy (2nd nomination) it appears that people have been pointing out to you the lack of sources for this content (which is little different to what was written in the now deleted Nerd Boy) for at least a month and a half, now. You could save yourself a lot of trouble by citing sources to show that they actually exist. Uncle G 21:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
        • • All of the content that is currently in the article is verifiable through the primary source (official website). You could save me a lot of time by pointing to which exact statements need sourcing. This stuff is pretty old, and a lot of web links are already dead. It's pretty hard to search for sources in this area. For example about 4 years ago I was doing ego-searching and found an article in Polish magazine with very thorough coverage of ASCII art (written by Blazej Kozlowski, no less, one of the greatest artists of the scene). It mentioned Nerd Boy and other popular ASCII comics. I can't find the link now. The printed version is probably stored somewhere, but the web version is dead. A lot of ASCII art references are in printed form and their Internet versions have phased out.  Grue  21:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Actually I found it, here it is: http://nnmag.net/NoName26/dane/122.html. Note how Joaquim Gandara is mentioned as "creator of greatest, most interesting and most funny comic strips". Would that be enough for you?  Grue  21:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to ASCII art per bogdan. - Francis Tyers · 17:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
• 'Delete for lack of independent reliable sources to prove notability. Edison 20:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. That which is verifiable only from primary sources, we call original research. One source in a language I can't read is not a good basis for an article on the English Wikipedia, especially an article on a subject which has already been deleted through proper process. Sorry. Guy (Help!) 20:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Huh? This article was never previously deleted on AfD. In fact, it was kept. As for the fact you can't read Polish language, well I can't either, but there are online translators such as http://www.poltran.com/. I also find the fact that you think that English Wikipedia should have different criteria of inclusion than other Wikipedias extremely disturbing.  Grue  23:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to ASCII art, Do not merge Nerd Boy, this was deleted previously and should not have been recreated in this article in my opinion. One Night In Hackney 20:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • What should and shouldn't be included in articles is not a matter of AfD. Leave it to editors.  Grue  23:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Nerd Boy was deleted by process, if you wish to recreate the article take it to deletion review, don't take over what was previously a stub by inserting non-notable content. One Night In Hackney 12:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

• Comment note to closing administrator: during the cource of this AfD, this article was properly sourced and expanded, thus rendering the original nomination statements false.  Grue  23:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge, Delete and Redirect to ASCII art. - Francis Tyers · 14:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - it's an existing phenomenon, and it warrants an article. BTW, what do language skills of particular users have to do with whether an article should be deleted? Zocky | picture popups 14:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Webcomics-related deletions. -- Sid 3050 22:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Esp re: above with sources not in the native language and re: not deleting all mention of something just because its article has been deleted not being a reason to delete the article. Could use some expansion though, and more sources would be nice. Balancer 02:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - notable style of webcomic. - Peregrine Fisher 18:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Pointless fancruft, fails WP:NOTE, lacks third-party sources according to WP:V. Xihr 10:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as a notable webcomic genre. Oppose merge with ASCII art as that article is already long enough as it is, and would benefit from further fragmentation like this. RFerreira 20:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.