Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A4018 road

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. -- King of Hearts | (talk) 00:14, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A4018 road

Making this nomination on behalf on 81.106.249.225. The reason given on the PROD tag is something like: "getting articles down to this level without any useful information is verging on the obsessive... - this is not a trunk route, and Wikipedia is not CBRD)". Kappa 09:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, this is a good stub on an A-road and this information is not something any self-respecting encyclopedia of British road transport could do without. Kappa 09:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

  For the benefit of those not party to this particular in-joke, can you please explain why the line "The A4018 is an British A-road which runs from Bristol city centre to Cribbs Causeway via places such as Westbury-on-Trym." on a page by itself is something we cannot do without? I'd be all for keeping this as a separate article if the road actually had some shred of importance attached to it, however, it doesn't even have that (to which I can personally attest, having travelled down it several times). Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.28.195 (talk • contribs)

  I believe this road has a least a shred of importance to the inhabitants of Westbury on Trym Kappa 23:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

  I believe the lifts in my high-rise office building have at least a shred of importance to the thousands of people who also work there. Not only do they number more than the residents of Westbury-on-Trym (which, BTW, is hyphenated), the lifts probably carry more people than the A4018. Since we do not, and clearly should not, have an article for Ty Glas Towers lift no. 6, by logical deduction there's less reason to keep this as a separate article. Merge/redirect into a series of articles a la Roads By Ten might seem sensible, but keeping separate articles is going to lead to a serious case of stubitis - lots of stubs but no actual content. Similarly, if the best reason you can come up with for keeping it is effectively "Well, why not?", then keeping as is most definitely cannot be the answer. Of course, this may be different where you come from, but here on Earth this is certainly the case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.28.195 (talk • contribs)

• Keep per Kappa MLA 10:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Kappa Siva1979^{Talk to me} 11:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Kappa. --Terence Ong 14:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep the stub is at least fairly informative and to the point. But if this were to be deleted, anyone recreating the article could do just as well with trivial effort... and this road is clearly pretty unimportant. Mangojuice 18:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep we keep american numbered roads dont we? (genuine question, not being faceatious) Jcuk 23:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

  Mu. It's difficult to compare, due to te fact that in the UK we number roads by classification (M > A1 > A2 > B, Ax > Axx/Axxx > Axxxx) whereas in the US there are three parallel systems. There are the national networks, the US highways and Interstate highways (confusingly, neither has to cross a state boundary), of which you can't have one of each of the same number in the same state (I-5 runs along the west coast, US-5 is in New England). Then there are the state networks, some of which skip the numbers of any nationals in there (e.g. there is no CA-5, as California defines route 5 in its system to be I-5). Then some states delegate county routes, which may in some cases duplicate both national and state numbers. I think there is some effort to get down to major county roads in California, being so large and having such an extensive road network, but some of these may be more important than state-level roads in other states (maybe they have fewer roads in the state, maybe the state doesn't delegate to counties, or whatever). Being "a numbered road serving X, Y and Z" isn't much. ISTR one case surviving on merit of it being the shortest signed numbered route in the state (some are unsigned - think C-roads). Note that "worthy of record" != "worthy of own article". "worthy of record" < "worthy of section" < "worthy of article". I figure the best we could do for this would be something akin to the List of B-roads floating around, i.e. "A4018: Bristol - Westbury-on-Trym - Catbrain - Cribbs Causeway - M5". One sentence on route and name of interesting place does not make an article, and I fear there is nothing more to know about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.28.195 (talk • contribs)

• Keep as per precedent on British A-roads. I've added a tiny smidgeon more info. Grutness...wha? 01:41, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

  The less-informed might wish to know that A-roads are like second-class degrees. They are not a single class, but two subclasses. In much the same way that you can't hold a 2:1 and a 2:2 on par (this being the effective boundary between a "good" degree and an "average" one), you have primary and secondary As. Primary As are typically worth writing about. Primary As into four digits typically have good reason for being so. Secondary As in two or three digits may sometimes be former primaries that have been de-trunked. Some 4-digit A2s might be worth writing home about (e.g. the A3400, a.k.a. Henley-in-Arden to M42 on what used to be the primary A34). Others, like this, are of predominantly (perhaps even purely?) local interest. Precedent is not to keep topics of purely local interest, and I'm not convinced that a case can be made that this road is of serious non-local interest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.15.28.195 (talk • contribs)

  Meanwhile, the more-informed will be aware that there was debate here recently about whether B-roads should have articles - and that debate ended in an approximate stalemate. If B-roads are right on the border of notability, then A-roads are surely over that border. BTW, you do your case no good by not signing your comments - four tildes is all you need to type (~~~~). Grutness...wha? 22:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. A great internet encyclopedia should have everything including road articles and topics of local interest. We all view the world through POV prisms dictated by our local surroundings. -- JJay 08:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep. As per JJay & Grutness. Captain scarlet 17:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

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