Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A1 (Serbia)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Proto::► 13:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A1 (Serbia)

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A1, A2 and A3 are imaginary designations of major motorways in Serbia, which are actually designated only by their European route numbers (such as E-70, E-75 etc.) [1] - this constitutes a case of original research and affects the whole article, as motorway which is designated as A1 here, in fact consists of section of E-70 and section of E-75 motorways. While not disputing a need for original and new designations of Serbian motorways, this article is simply inaccurate and, perhaps, only wishful thinking. Meelosh 00:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

   I am also nominating the following related pages for the identical reasons:
   :A2 (Serbia) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
   :A3 (Serbia) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
  • Merge and redirect to the relevant European highway designations, if they have an article. Move and rename if they don't. --Canley 01:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Let me try to explain once again if I wasn't clear enough - not only that designations (A1, A2, A3) are imaginary. Real trouble is that real E-75 road in Serbia consists of "A2", part of "A1", and also of a stretch of the road which is not covered by these articles. Thus, a simple rename would just not suffice - only alternative I can see to deletion is merge and rename, which would also require an extensive update to the info in the article. In fact, since these pages are not heavily used on Wikipedia (A1, for example, has only one interwiki link, apart from links to A2, A3 and relevant userpages), I was thinking that it would be better to create a new article and delete these, than to redirect from designations which have never been used in reality. Meelosh 01:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, assuming the nomination is correct and these are not official designations. If they are simply unsigned, and a reliable source is provided for this, keep or merge into an article like Interstate Highways in Alaska, which covers the unsigned Interstates A-1 to A-4 in Alaska, U.S. --NE2 03:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. If there were verifiable sources, and if the articles made it clear that these are local names for these stretches of highway rather than real designations, then I might have a different opinion. -FisherQueen (Talk) 11:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • These are not local names, official or otherwise. Designations are completely imaginary and the first time they have been used is here, at Wikipedia. Meelosh 20:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • As much as I would like all this to be true, your source is a webpage created by Michal Halabica[5], with Wikipedia as its source - which just makes a better case for deletion, since already websites are coming out with wrong information thanks to our encyclopaedia. Please do check out the only official source, PE Roads of Serbia (formerly State Directorate for Roads of Serbia) [6] and their map in the nomination. All this would just go away if someone made a picture of a road sign with designations A1, A2 or A3. However, that's impossible since they don't exist - would you accept several pictures of signs (without those designations) on these stretches of the roads as proof of otherwise? Or an email from the directorate? Meelosh 13:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't see how do you see that the website uses Wikipedia as a source, but OK, agree that a single amateur website isn't much of a source. I'd just want to say that:
  • I have a hard time imagining why would someone make this up completely;
  • the designations are consistent with those of surrounding countries (see A1#A1 Roads);
  • the designations are consistent with those for other roads in Serbia (M# for magistral roads so logically A# for highways);
  • the fact that they are not used by the PE doesn't mean that they aren't used at all: for example, they may be formerly used designations, which still deserve a mention.
I'd prefer e-mail from an experienced truck driver to that of the PE ;) Nikola 20:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge salvageable contents into (new) Highways in Serbia. Several issues:
    1) European routes E75 and E70, and our articles, are too general, and describe more or less "corridors" rather than real infrastructure objects.
    2) The highways exist, but they're not officially named "A1" and "A2" and "A3" (nor anyone in Serbia calls them like that); I think that the site referenced by Nikola is a Wiki, more or less (see the bottom of [7]). The government official site refers to (part of it) as "E-75". However, as Meelosh said, as of 2007, continuous pieces of highways are like A1/A2/A3 rather than like E70/E75. It's best handled as part of one article, where the fragments could be joined together. Duja► 11:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
    Side comment: there's also Highway "Brotherhood and Unity" article (unreferenced, but it existed), which covers some of A1 (Serbia) and A3 (Croatia).Duja► 11:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete or Merge, but A1, A2 and A3 (as official name) do not exist. --MaNeMeBasat 14:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.