Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A.J. Suggs

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Yuser31415 06:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A.J. Suggs

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A non-notable college player. Suggs was primarily a back-up quarterback for 2 different teams. It was nominated for speedy deletion, then prodded but prod was removed. Thomas.macmillan 18:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Weak delete I'm between weak delete and weak keep on this one. He was a starting qb on a major Division I FBS team. But, it was a position he only held for a short amount of time with no further playtime in the professional league. Ultimately, if he had played for an entire year or more or had been an All-Something player, I might have said weak keep. But in the end, I'm going with delete on this one. ↔NMajdan•talk 19:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply I would like to point out that he started all of 2002 and was relegated to backup his senior season. Excaliburhorn
  • Keep Starting QB for 2 major NCAA DI-A teams. He "only" played 13 games ("His record is 7-6 as a starter") for two different major teams. The article does have problems ("skill position", uses A.J. instead of Suggs, uses NFL player infobox, should use college one since never played in NFL) but all could be fixed. --MECU≈talk 19:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Cleanup and add Refs - he was a starter for two different major teams. The article needs more references. Most of the article is from just one source. Johntex\talk 19:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I've now added a second source. Finding more sources is not going to be hard at all. This guy has received a lot of press. Johntex\talk 19:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Look at the 'nique articles listed on the talk page. I'm sure we can work those in somewhere. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 19:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. several published sources about him. IMO, College football quarterbacks are definitely notable. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 19:56, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I would like to point out Justin Zwick, Xavier Lee, Wyatt Sexton, Rick Clausen, & Kirby Freeman (other similarly notable if not less notable QB's who were wikified). AJ Suggs is part of a mini project to wikify all starting QB's for GT. I'd prefer we keep him on wikipedia and expand in the name of completeness. Excaliburhorn 15:18, 26 Feb. 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment- Every starting quartback for a division 1a team do not deserve a wikipedia article. If a player, wins an award, sets a record (i'd even settle for a school record, like wins or touchdowns) or plays professionally, then he should have an article. If his most notable accomplishment was being an average quartback on an average team (with Georgia Tech at least), then he really does not deserve a bio.--Thomas.macmillan 22:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
He was a starter for more than a year, that means he passes WP:BIO. He is the subject of multiple non-trival press reports, that means the subject is verifiable. The fact that he started for not one but two Division IA schools puts him in a very small group of players. People are likely to want to know about him. Also, we can't have a complete record of the starting QB's of either school without this article. Johntex\talk 23:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Per WP:BIO, "[A]thletes...who have played...at the highest level in...competitive activities that are themselves considered notable, including college sports in the United States." Starting QB for a D-1A team qualifies, in my opinion, as playing at the highest level. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 00:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 15:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: If he had been a long-term starter, then I would agree. However, he only started 13 games and only won 7 of them at that. He was a back-up for the equivalent of 3 seasons In a 4 year career, his teams played at least 44 games and he played in only 13!--Thomas.macmillan 16:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply: I don't know why you've got this vendetta against AJ. I think you don't really understand the college game. College QB's don't typically play four full seasons. College teams typically play a QB for a year or two and their backups "mature." It's a pretty common practice. Four year starters are much more rare than you'd think. I assure you that being a full season starter for an ACC bowl team is noteworthy. And he actually played in 22 games: 7 at UT and 15 at GT. -Excaliburhorn 17:28 Feb 28, 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't think Thomas has a "vendetta" - it's probably a good idea to assume good faith and just assume that he's attempting to enforce WP:NOTE and WP:BIO, policies that, despite being agreed upon by community consensus, are still subject to individual interpretation. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 22:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Also, QBs typically mature and then come into starting roles during the latter part of their career. This player started playing early and lost his starting job to somebody younger. That is not typical.↔NMajdan•talk 22:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure where my "vendetta" is. I am sure A.J. Suggs is a wonderful human being and I do understand the college game very well. I just don't want every Division 1 player to have a wikipedia bio, as it would create glut of unhelpful articles. Given that there are 119 D1 teams and many times 80 or so players on a team, I would hope any college football fan would agree with my statements. Even if you broke it down to the BCS conference teams, you still have dozens of teams with most of the players having biographies and other sources online due to the fact that college football is very popular (and a huge money maker for all the networks). We should wait until they play at the highest level of college for a consistent time period, set a major record (aka Timmy Chang) or go pro to create Wiki-bios.--Thomas.macmillan 22:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been added to the list of Georgia Tech deletions. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 23:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep given the current state of the article (multiple non-trivial, reliable, independent references). I think this is more than enough for notability. -- Black Falcon 04:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.