Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A.J. Coyle

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete as an unsourced an non-notable biography. Proof needs to be offered for claims of notability, using reliable sources. (aeropagitica) 22:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A.J. Coyle

A.J. Coyle (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

non-notable person; only purported achievement in the article is claim he invented instant coffee, which I'm pretty sure was invented by George Washington Carver. (As an aside, I've also {{prod}}ded the article for the grocery store referred to in this article.) Agent 86 23:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Yes, instant coffee was first developed by G W Carver. What else is left in the article?--Anthony.bradbury 23:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete hoaxalicious. Danny Lilithborne 00:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
• Situation requires some investigation. The word "hoax" implies fabrication by the creator of the article. In this instance, the article creator, User:GVnayR, has hundreds of good-faith edits going back more than a year which generally is not the profile of a hoax creator. Interestingly, however, this user's block log has an entry from August 2006 in which the blocking administrator, User:FayssalF, initially blocked for one week and then indefinite with an explanation of "creating multiple hoaxes articles," but unblocked two hours later with an explanation of "mistakingly believed he was creating hoaxes." I see nothing on the talk pages or archives of either GVnayR or FayssalF that sheds any light on what happened at that time, which was before this article was created. I'm going to leave notes for both pointing to this discussion.

A non-hoax source for believing the contents of this article, linked to in the article although not necessarily a reliable source by current Wikipedia standards, is the company website of Coyle's Country Store, here, which states that "A.J. Coyle was a true inventor, years before the current craze for ready-made foods, he invented instant coffee." This is contrary to the history at instant coffee, which reports that "Instant coffee was invented in 1901 by Satori Kato, a Japanese scientist working in Chicago. However, it was not marketed commercially until Nescafé launched in 1938." This, in turn, is potentially inconsistent with George Washington Carver, which lists instant coffee as one of over 300 applications that Carver developed for peanut products, though it does not say that Carver invented instant coffee itself. Further research is required and it may be that a deletion is ultimately indicated but to simply declare a "hoax" with the suggestion that the article creator is responsible is premature, though I find no non-Wikipedia and non-store Ghits associating Coyle with instant coffee and my hunch is that we may be dealing with a sales gimmick perpetrated by the store, not by the Wikipedian.

With regard to the article about the store, it could be notable if its owner truly invented instant coffee, but I don't see a case for notability otherwise. However, I'm going to strike the prod for now with a link to this discussion. Newyorkbrad 01:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Given the importance of WP:V, I have now listed Coyle's Country Store for deletion. Nothing in that article or this one supports the assertion by the company. Agent 86 01:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Absent additional evidence being produced, that is certainly true. Newyorkbrad 01:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment I had blocked and then unblocked User:GVnayR (who happens to be the same creator of this article) on August 18, 2006. The block was executed after reading those discussions (1 and 2) on his talkpage. I then deleted a few articles created by him as being hoaxes see my log on August 18, 2006. A moment later i was contacted by User:TruthbringerToronto explaining to me that Boston, Ontario (another article created by the same user) was a real town, which was true. I than unblocked him. This article should not be considered as a hoax. The creator relied on a primary source w/ good faith. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 10:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as unverified and contradicting pages that do or could have reliable sources. Googling finds lots of references, including coffee-company websites and Carver historians, who indicate Satori and Carver, respectively, as the inventor. That's an interesting discrepancy to resolve on the relevant pages. No idea whether the discrepancy is due to different meanings of "invented instant coffee". maybe "concentrated" or "evaporated" vs "freeze-dried"...was freeze-drying even known in Carver's day, for example. But this AfD isn't about that...I found no hits for Coyle. DMacks 04:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, violates WP:V. The store's site cannot be considered a third-party source per WP:RS. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete Well... re this AfD. I must say that i totally agree w/ User:Kinu above when talking about WP:V. I also agree w/ you about instant coffee being invented by G. Washington in 1909 if not by Nestlé in 1937. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 10:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable. By the way, Satori Kato created the first instant coffee. George Constant Washington (not George Washington Carver) created the first mass-produced instant coffee. DCEdwards1966 22:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment: There are claims for both George Constant Washington (about whom we don't have an article) and George Washington Carver, along with Satori Kato. Clearly Wikiproject:Coffee has some work to do. Newyorkbrad 00:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, Delete, Delete. ◄HouseOfScandal►18:44, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
• delete - subject is not notable and not verifiable. I am going to nominate another, related article for deletion: Shell peanut.Glendoremus 20:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.