Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A&P (story)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. — Caknuck 15:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A&P (story)

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This is just a plot summery. Subject does not seem notable meshach 03:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep Article needs improvement and sourcing, more real-world analysis & context. But this is a notable story by a very notable author, and it shouldn't be hard to find sources to improve this. DES (talk) 04:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per WP:BK point 5 The book's author is so historically significant that any of his or her written works may be considered notable, even in the absence of secondary sources. John Updike fits that criteria IMHOBalloonman 04:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I think it's still appropriate to request third party sources and analysis, the page is still nothing but a plot summary. Updike is a notable author, but this isn't a good article. Yet. FrozenPurpleCube 05:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Won't dispute that... but that doesn't justify deletion.Balloonman 05:27, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to John Updike - Written by a notable author, but the short story is not notable itself. No reason for a seperate article to exist. Note that this is not even a full book, it's a short story, so WP:BK point 5 does not strictly apply. -- Kesh 05:50, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep - Changing my vote now that the article has been expanded and properly referenced. Good job! I think we can WP:SNOWball this one, now. -- Kesh 03:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I'm not sure how notable this story is, but the author is certainly notable. With better sourcing and discussion of the siginificance of the story (assuming it has any) this article would be a definite keeper. Note that in the rather esoteric category "1961 short stories" (in which this article is included) there are several other short stories included, some by less notable authors. Also, if we can have an article on every episode of a stupid TV show, we can certainly have an article on every short story Updike every wrote.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 09:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 14:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete — Sure it's notable, but it has no sources. An article can't be kept if it's original research. If sources are found, I'd say keep, but as it stands, the article should be deleted. *Cremepuff222* 18:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
    Keep, Yep, it looks fine now. Thanks for adding the sources! *Cremepuff222* 22:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, now that the sources have been added--this is the sort of material needed to supplement a great many articles in WP that are now mainly or entirely plot descriptions. Weak deleteunless some sources discussing the story are added. They surely exist, since this is a staple in literature classes.DGG 01:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC) DGG 03:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Comment. I think it's silly for this story to get deleted just because it is not sourced, so I added a couple of citations which I found on JSTOR to the intro describing the reactions of two English professors to the story (actually I only found the first article, the cite from the book was contained in the article which is sort of cheating but I think allowable, if not all of the new material can be sourced to the first footnote and still gives two different scholarly perspectives). I know nothing about this story, so hopefully someone who does can add more. This is all I could find on JSTOR quickly, though it's obvious from a quick google search that this story is used in classes and discussed all of the time and I assume there is commentary on it in any number of anthologies of American fiction. There are several published articles which are pedagogical in nature (i.e. how to teach the story), though I don't think that would really add much in terms of sourcing.
Anyhow, the articles has sources now, so hopefully Cremepuff and DGG will consider changing their votes.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 02:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd encourage adding the others--they are likely to be the sort of things useful to students as well as to teachers. DGG 03:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, a quick search on "John Updike" "A&P" returns 14,300; not bad for a short story. John Vandenberg 03:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep With the references added, clear notability of the author, and respectable google search numbers, notability is established.--JayJasper 20:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.