Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A&M Entertainment (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Sources insufficient to establish notability. Dreadstar † 06:25, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A&M Entertainment

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The article fails WP:ORG because of a lack of reliable, third-party published sources. Press releases and directory listings do not meet the standard for notability for companies. dissolve^talk 18:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

• Strong keep The references in this article are fine. archanamiya · talk 20:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment From WP:ORG: "Secondary sources" "except for the following: Press releases" and "other works where the company, corporation, organization, or group talks about itself—whether published by the company, corporation, organization, or group itself, or re-printed by other people." i.e. the company submitting info for a directory listing. Which source in the article exactly doesn't fit into this criterion? dissolve^talk 23:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. I agree, the references are fine. 23skidoo (talk) 22:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep References are reliable, article subject is notable. Luksuh 03:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not so sure the references are fine, in terms of WP:ORG. There are six references (one reference is cited twice) and two company-related ELs. Among the six references, I see 2 PR style releases (1 2 (<--could be a directory listing, says it is, but I put it here because it was obviously written by the company), 2 directory listings (1, 2), 1 blank page (1--maybe it doesn't like Mozilla? Based on its name, it looks like a PR source; looking at this other release about the company at the same page, it sure seems like it)) and 1 page that currently doesn't seem even to mention the company (1 Perhaps it can be searched to disclose information...by subscribers.). A google news archive search brings up 3 hits. I got 215 unique hits on Google. I scanned all 215 of them, and I didn't find a single usable source. (I thought I did, on a Tupac Shakur website. Should have known it would be a fansite.) There may be more information locatable by searching A&M without entertainment, but this runs into the problem that the big A&M in music is A&M Records. You search "Busta Rhymes" (which the article claims is represented by A&M Entertainment), and A&M Records is what you find. I thought maybe I could trail this press release here to something, because a Tupac Legacy Tour would surely get some press, but it was evidently postponed...and then disappeared. In any event, I can't figure out what happened to it. I tried doing a linked search of "Mike Coates" & "A&M"; I got 58 unique hits, many unrelated, none that I saw reliable. This seems to be an international company. It claims to represent an impressive roster of performers. Why isn't there more reliable sourcing out there? I'm waffly over WP:ORG. If this article is to be believed, the company is notable. But where's the WP:V? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 03:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

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