Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/65 Episode Policy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While many people wanted this to be kept, WP:V is a critical policy, and concerns were raised that this article is WP:OR. Only Amaas120 even claimed the information could be verifiable, others just said "find sources." If sources are found, the article can (and in my opinion, should) be undeleted. Mangojuice^talk 13:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 65 Episode Policy

Oriignally listed for deletion by myself and deleted...exactly one year ago (imagine that; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Disney's 65 episode policy). The reasons why the original page was nominated for deletion are the same as the reasons for relisting it now, so I'll just copy and paste:

"A combination of fan speculation, very mild fancruft, original research, and opinions. Disney cartoons aren't specially singled out; nearly all network and syndicated animated shows stop after 65 episodes (because at 65, the studio have enough episodes to broadcast for each weekday for 13 weeks--a full season). I'd say to delete this article with no redirect, and make a mention of the policy at an article for television syndication. FuriousFreddy 10:43, 24 August 2005 (UTC)"

Two minor notes: (1) This article has no sources, and, as the talk page alludes to, there are no actual verifiable sources available. This is all original research and fan speculation. (2) "Make a mention of the policy at an article for television syndication" should be "Make a brief mention of the 65-episode run of most syndicated animated programs at an article for television sndication", because it's not even a policy -- more like a loose rule-of-thumb. --FuriousFreddy 22:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Danny Lilithborne 01:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unverifiable and original research. It's easy to verify that some Disney Channel shows were cancelled after 65 episodes, but much harder to verify that the channel had an actual policy to limit series to 65 episodes, and we would need a source in order to warrant an article about this practice. --Metropolitan90 04:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - I have no sources or anything, and I don't feel like searching for any, but this is a real policy that Michael Eisner has even confirmed. Again, I have no references, so this vote is a bit useless, but...ugh. I'll just end that before I ramble on a bit more.--andrew 07:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:V and makes contentious statements about living persons. I know that 65 episodes is basically the minimum to get into syndication, so shows are often dragged to the line - beyond that, it's OR. WilyD 12:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete As I said on the talk page, it's already been confirmed by the Kim Possible creators that this "65 episode limit/policy" doesn't exist. 65 is just a number of episodes needed for syndication, as stated above. --Erased Paper 19:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, notable regardless of whether it is a strict policy or whatever it is. Everyking 01:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete only based on the fact that no verifiable reliable sources have written about it. If even a few can be found other than forum chat, then it would certainly be notable, but we need sources that say so ... we don't publish things just because they're true. :-). AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 18:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Agree with Metropolitan90 71.194.6.238 20:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Instead of deleting, let's just add references. It's either an urban legend or it's an unstated policy. Either way it deserves a page which deals with the situation/controversy. - Peregrinefisher 10:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and improve per above. --badlydrawnjeff talk 23:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep The 65 Episode Policy is well know in the Disney fan circle. Even if it's untrue or simply a myth, the 65 Episode Policy can be considered a significant and wide-spread urban legend. Deleting it will constitute major omission of information. Keep, with arguments for and against. Jumping cheese ^Contact 04:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep

The policies are well known, and I myself have written to Jess Winfield, talking about it. He says it's not a rule, but it IS a buisiness policy. User:Captain N

• Delete unless a serious source is added confirming that this concept exists. Otherwise it seems like a pretty good article. Christopher Parham (talk) 04:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep Too well known to delete. Just needs some sources :)telstar 16:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, agree with argument raised by Peregrinefisher. Mallanox 03:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but modify, if possible get some sources, and maybe rewrite the article to a more universal position, less focused on Disney channel, since syndication is often based around the 13-week 5 day cycle. FrozenPurpleCube 17:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.