Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/3g iphone

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Unusual Close. This product was just announced; there's no relevance to WP:CRYSTAL here. Whether this article should be merged with iPhone is a different debate. As for why I'm speedily closing this (which I'll admit is highly unorthodox), I think it's very silly to have a massive AfD tag blighting an article that will soon be seeing a lot of eyes. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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Contested PROD. Speculation about a future product with no substantial facts, and no references. Notability not asserted. Roleplayer (talk) 02:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Note - I moved the page to 3G iPhone per the naming of the iPhone article. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Unsourced. Re-create if the vapors solidify into a product. Thetrick (talk) 03:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete We have an iPhone article, even if this is the product it should not have a separate article but be part of the main article. Doug Weller (talk) 06:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Hold on. A 3G iPhone is virtually guaranteed to be announced in less than 12 hours. Once that happens, we can make an informed decision as to whether the new product(s) can be covered in the iPhone article or split off, and if the latter, what the article(s) should be named. If we feel compelled to do something in the meantime, then redirect to iPhone, I guess. --Maxamegalon2000 06:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Hold on - By the time this AFD is set to be closed, there will be an announcemnt (or the lack of one) either supporting or discrediting this article. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 17:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Note - The phone has been announced. I will have some refs and stuff soon. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 18:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Hold on lets wait 24 hours and see what happens. BJTalk 18:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - It's being announced and described as I type. Wait and see. Also, the idea that a new iPhone model isn't notable is ridiculous. - Denimadept (talk) 18:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I agree it is notable. I've looked at something I see as an equivalent, the Blackberry, and see that different models have their own articles, eg Blackberry Pearl. I think it was probably a mistake to have an article before we knew what it was going to be called (iPhone 3G), but nevermind.
  • Keep - There is no way that is would be combined onto the original iPhone page. Two different products of this magnitude require different pages. It's not an update of the iPhone, but a new one. hotdogger125 (talk) 19:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note - someone already replaced the page with a redirect. Should this be reverted? - Denimadept (talk) 19:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I will revert the redirect. It was protected but it is now unprotected. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - move to iPhone 3G. Wikipedia has individual pages for other, much less significant cell phone models. JCDenton2052 (talk) 19:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge to iPhone: This stub of the article adds nothing in addition to the iPhone page. Furthermore, the two models are not different enough to warrant a separate article. Look at iPod Shuffle and iPod Nano which both have iterations that are vastly different, yet the one page works for both of them. -- KelleyCook (talk) 19:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment - I ask that you give this a day or to to materalize before you make a decision based on its current state as reliable sources are trickleing in for the development of this article. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 19:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment - Do you propose we merge HTC Wizard, HTC TyTN, and HTC TyTN II? They're no more different than iPhone and iPhone 3G. JCDenton2052 (talk) 19:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge and Redirect Short answer: per KelleyCook. Long answer: My objective is to create the most well-organized, accessible, actual, and sourced information I (we) can. Totally separate articles will lead to much confusion and duplication of information. I support a section in iPhone outlining the differences or a separate iPhone versions article, or perhaps History of the iPhone, which will focus on the distinctions but let iPhone handle to commonalities. In the immediate future, iPhone 3G may be useful as a staging area for new information, but I think ultimately it should all be merged back in to iPhone.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 19:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment - What happens when the next gen iPhone comes out, or the model after that? Should they all be included in the same article? I fear that if we start outting too myuch stuff in the same article, we will lose any historic information that may be encylopedic by trying to jam it into a single article. Perhaps a single article in the iPhone with generics, and two separate artilces on iPhone 2G and iPhone 3G with information each specific model. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 20:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Redirect and Merge Superfluous marketing title, content fully encompassed in the iphone article. - Yellowdesk (talk) 20:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment - Again, Wikipedia has separate articles for other models of cellphones. Why should this be any different? JCDenton2052 (talk) 20:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Rather than argue, how about we calmly identify our objectives and options, find out what path best fits what we want to do, and take it. Feel free to add to either list, just sign afterwards.
    • Objectives:
      • Avoid information duplication/redundancy
      • Preserve historic information
      • Allow for the addition of new, future models without restructuring
      • Allow for the excited anons to add their information
      • Clearly identify and explain the differences between the two products.
    • Options:
      • Add a section in iPhone explaining the differences while everything else there applies to both models unless otherwise specified, like iPod nano (but more than just a list of versions)
      • Create one new article with these differences, or add it to History of the iPhone, and let iPhone talk about commonalities
      • Create separate articles for each phone focused on the differences and clearly subsidiary to iPhone, like iPod photo
      • Create separate articles for each phone and move most of the current information in iPhone to iPhone 2G, leaving the former as a disambiguation page, like HTC Wizard, HTC TyTN, and HTC TyTN II
    • Although I have my own opinions, the community needs to see beyond delete vs. keep, stop arguing, and find the best solution.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 20:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Comment - There's a clear precedent for having separate pages for separate cell phone models. Why reverse it? JCDenton2052 (talk) 20:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note - It seems to me that we just moved beyond the purposes of an AfD article and moved to a topic which should be in the Talk:iPhone page. I don't think the deletion question is real anymore, as it was when the suggestion was made. Does User:Roleplayer agree? - Denimadept (talk) 20:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Everyone agrees on notability; this is now classification and organization. If that means it's not an AfD, sure, move it back to talk.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 20:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
      • I'm neither the original poster, an admin, or someone who has been dealing with Apple-related topics on Wikipedia, so I don't consider myself someone who should be messing with it that much. I got a little excited earlier and went beyond my normal area. :-D "Why" is a matter for elsewhere. OTOH, someone posted "BE BOLD" on my Talk page... - Denimadept (talk) 20:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete for the reasons given. If and when a new distinct product is released, we can then create an article with the appropriate name for the product. See Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball. Mdwh (talk) 20:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment - the iPhone 3G has been announced, but not released. Should pages for other cell phones that have been announced but not released (such as the HTC Touch Diamond and the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1) be deleted too? JCDenton2052 (talk) 20:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • That depends if they are brand new models are new versions of old ones.--HereToHelp (talk to me) 21:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
      • The HTC Touch Diamond is a successor to other phones in the HTC Touch family. JCDenton2052 (talk) 21:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.