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No assertion of notability per BAND. The band is playing the Warped Tour, but there are at least 85 bands on the official list, so I don't feel that it is a strong enough assertion of notability, being that they are not a headliner. Being on Warped is not an automatic N, either, as quite a few bands on the comps (since 1998) have no articles, and the total band list is much larger than the comp album list. This band has opened for artists, which is no big deal for a band - local bands open shows all the time, and I don't know that the headliner has anything to do with that process as opposed to the venue booker. Most tellingly, all their listed shows are Denver-area, which is where they are from, meaning that they are a local band that has not toured outside of their city. Prod was removed by a Denver-area IP who has never edited anything save that article, which means there may be a COI issue here as well. MSJapan (talk) 17:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete. Indy band, signed to an indy label that seems equally insignificant (in fact, it's up for PROD right now). Hopefully they get their name out there, but until notability is established, nothing for here. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 18:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Changing vote to weak keep per revisions by MSJapan. Good luck breaking out of Denver, gentlemen. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 15:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • "Save". Acts are Colorado based not Denver based, which is less local than the original argument suggests. Myspace Page has close to 1.5 million hits, which indicates some renown. Music Style is Unique, possibly original creation. In addition to that, its sound provides pride to the residents of Colorado. It's a unique thing for the state, and everyone loves them. This page has been created (then deleted) multiple times by multiple parties, eventually it will have to stay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.126.110 (talk) 20:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Save. This is one of the most notable bands in Colorado. Their popularity and relevance is undeniable. They have sold out show after show across the country. Conversely to what Japan says, they are headlining a portion of the Warped Tour as well. And though other bands on the Warped Tour play only a select few dates (ie: 1 to 10 dates), 3OH!3 is actually on the entire tour. The significance of being on the Warped Tour CD is important too as only the most relevant and large bands are on the CD thanks to tour founder Kevin Lyman. Also, KTCL in Denver has a long history of discovering such bands as the Flobots and The Fray and 3OH!3 is just the next band in line. I urge this page to remain here and it has to remain eventually. 3OH!3 is too significant for this band not to have their own page. Ajkaneobrien (talk) 23:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC) — Ajkaneobrien (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC, WP:RS.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 00:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Save. All the arguments brought up are contradictary by nature. You state that just being a member of the Warped Tour does not represent noteriety, however, this is a tour that has been around for years, and headlining it has not only just jumpstarted many bands carreers, but in some cases (Blink 182) has defined them. If you say that is not a relevent tour and does not warrent a page, then by the same token many bands that have been on the Warped Tour still have a Wikipedia page even though in your eyes they do not deserve it. It is truely a rediculous notion that Headlining an event with so much national prestige such as the Warped Tour is not reason enough for a Wikipedia page. To emphasis what AJKANEobrien said, KTCL, the radio station in Colorado that regularly plays 3 oh! 3 can be credited with boosting the carreers of the Flobots, who recently are on tour and have made television apperances and the National hit, the Fray. With that track record, and a headlining spot on the Warped Tour, it is likely that 3 OH! 3 will recieve great nation attention in the coming months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.227.158 (talk) 02:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
    • ...and that's crystalballery, frankly. Like I said above, you need to prove notability right now - not possible notability in the future. Also see WP:MUSIC. You will follow these guidelines if you want the article. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 17:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - I for one have no prejudice to recreation if this band in the future meets WP:MUSIC at that time. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 17:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • But it is not crystal ballery that this band is in fact a headliner on ALL of the the nationally recognized and highly attended Warped Tour stops. Your argument against the tour is that they have some bands be filler for some of the shows, however, this band is playing every stop nationwide. That recognition by the commite who puts the Warped Tour together should be enough noteriety by itself that people who know music and what people like believe that this band has enough staying power and talent to be broadcast on the national stage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.227.158 (talk) 18:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • http://www.warpedtour.com/warpedtour/bands.asp. Directly to the right, it states that 3OH!3 is featured on the whole tour. The creators of this tour want to put the best product out there, and making 3OH!3 a full time member is evidence of their noteriety. Boom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.227.158 (talk) 19:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Is that the only citation? Warped tour is great, but as is explained in the nomination, it's one of 86 bands. As such, that alone is not going to be enough. You have yet to read WP:MUSIC - read this and then provide more citations. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 19:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Save. I find it laughable that with 10 million articles in 253 languages, "Dennis the Tiger" is questioning a page about a band as notable as 3OH!3. Just because Dennis does not know of the band does not make them any less significant. Oh, and the band does match the Lord (our God) Wikipedia's criteria for notability.Ajkaneobrien (talk) 19:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)— Ajkaneobrien (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
    • OK. One, you already placed a "save" above. Two, this is not a vote, this is a discussion to reach a consensus. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 20:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC) (who forgot to sign last time...)
      • OK. It looks like the consensus has been made. Save. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.224.25 (talk)
        • You're new, aren't you? =) We let administrators make the decisions as to when consensus has been reached. Have a nice day. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 20:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Save.They were cited by Colorado’s Westward as the best of in Colorado in there genre in 2007. http://bestof.westword.com/bestof/award.php?award=377917. This proves rule 7 that it has become the most prominent representative of a city, beating out national bands such as the Flobots. In addition to the Warped tour, where they are one of 40 bands to achieve the level of performing every show on a national concert tour, they are headlining the Pemerton Festival in British Columbia and the Bamboozle left festival in California. Both the warped tour and the aforementioned festivals represent rule 4. In addition to that, their record label, though it is young, has national acts on it and has notoriety in its own right for being a sub-company of Atlantic Records, thus taking care of rule #5 with there album coming out on that label in the next month. As for media coverage, if you Google their name, numerous outside sites in the hip hop, punk rock, and news outlet articles about the band pop up, thus meeting the criteria for rule #1. And finally, in addition to having 1.5 million hits on their myspace page, their hit music video has 233,613 views on youtube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.227.158 (talk) 19:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC) — 24.9.227.158 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
    • You make some great points here. Rule 7 is definitely proven as 3OH!3 has become representative of the cities of Boulder, Denver, and of Colorado. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.224.25 (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 13:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I did a google news search and found this, then found this too. Their Allmusic page doesn't give much away though. sparkl!sm hey! 14:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
    • That might change my mind, Sparklism. I can't get to the link on the Syntax from work (firewall blockage, dunno why), but the camera may or may not be questionable as it appears to be a local news story. IMO it brings it to "borderline". I'll check it later this evening or work with other consensus on this. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 17:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep with revision - In its current form the article is pretty weak and not NPOV, as seen with the claim that they are "headlining" Warped Tour. They most definitely are not. Still, I came to this article because I was curious about the band due to the fact that they are playing at Warped Tour. The links provided by Sparklism, especially the first one, seem to be enough to assert notability along with their touring on Warped Tour. TecmoBo (talk) 15:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Alright I've revised the article so all the statements are sourced and the POV is fixed. I used Sparklism's first link and some others I found that were legitimate. So as I stated above, my vote is to keep in its revised form. TecmoBo (talk) 19:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - It certainly reads, better, but I don't know that it asserts any sort of notability. Assuming this album comes out and charts, that might change things, but if the label signing is a fundamental part of their notability (which is about the only thing I can see that would) WP:CRYSTAL would seem to apply until the album release. MSJapan (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Save 3oh!3 is huge in both Boulder and Denver which satisfies rule #7. Also they have have been in rotation of channel 93.3 so that satisfies rule #11. And on top of that headlining Warped Tour and opening for Snoop Dogg and Sum 41. Just Because some of you haven't heard of a band doesn't give you the right to delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.8.81.89 (talk) 21:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
    • OK, fine, they're huge in Boulder. WP:LOCAL. That said, articles or it didn't happen. The two above are probably viable, I'm still yet to review the other one. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 22:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - I agree somewhat with MSJapan that their notability isn't impressive, but the fact that they are on the official Warped Tour 2008 Tour Compilation disc doesn't help their notability? The bands on their aren't randomly thrown together; they are nearly all well-known. Even if 3Oh!3 isn't in the same class as those bands, doesn't been chosen to be on the compilation in the first place show some notability? TecmoBo (talk) 00:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - Normally I would agree, but there's 50 bands at one track apiece, so I think it diminishes the weight of the comp substantially. A similar case might be Guitar Hero; there are indie bands on there who don't have articles, because they're simply not notable outside of having a track on the game(s) in the bonus section, and they aren't advertised on the packaging. MSJapan (talk) 00:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)