Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/38 Geary
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was withdrawn by nominator, defaulting to keep. —Kurykh 02:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 38 Geary
Bus lines, unless there is a distinctive quality that makes it distinguished among all bus lines in the world, are non-notable. This bus line has no distinctive quality, and most of the encyclopedic information is related more to the B Geary line than to the bus line itself. The entry at List of San Francisco Municipal Railway lines is sufficient. Hence, as nominator, I urge to delete the article. Kurykh 18:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - Geary Boulevard is the primary main east-west thoroughfare of San Francisco (Market Street is only a relatively short southwest-to-northeast street) and this is the only bus route that covers most of the entire length, from the Financial District to Ocean Beach. One of the most important and used bus routes in all of San Francisco. --Oakshade 19:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- The boulevard's notability does not translate into the bus line's notability (or lack thereof). One might as well say that the 30-Stockton line is important because it connects Caltrain to Chinatown (btw, it's also the slowest bus line in the city). —Kurykh 20:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- I wouldn't because Stockton isn't such a major street at Geary is. And it's the bus line I'm referring to as "important", as well as "major", which does satisfy what you're looking for in your nom's comments "a distinctive quality." I lived in SF for five years, believe me, this line is very important. --Oakshade 20:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- I've lived in the city for 17 years, so I know what you are talking about. However, it is "important" and "major" only within the context of Muni, not by its own standing. No one is disputing that this bus line is one of the most heavily used in the system, but creating a wholly separate article instead of an entry in one of the already-existing Muni articles is unnecessary, because, in all reality, there isn't really much to talk about. —Kurykh 21:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- It's important not only in the context of Muni, but all of San Francisco and, arguably, transit in the Bay Area. As with many of these articles (see London Buses route 12, which was AfD'd and kept, for example), there is plenty of room for expansion and already there appears too much topic specific content to be part of the MUNI article. --Oakshade 22:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- I've lived in the city for 17 years, so I know what you are talking about. However, it is "important" and "major" only within the context of Muni, not by its own standing. No one is disputing that this bus line is one of the most heavily used in the system, but creating a wholly separate article instead of an entry in one of the already-existing Muni articles is unnecessary, because, in all reality, there isn't really much to talk about. —Kurykh 21:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- I wouldn't because Stockton isn't such a major street at Geary is. And it's the bus line I'm referring to as "important", as well as "major", which does satisfy what you're looking for in your nom's comments "a distinctive quality." I lived in SF for five years, believe me, this line is very important. --Oakshade 20:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment For convenience, let's break down the current article and analyze it:
- History — it isn't even really a history section, and all the information is already in the main Muni article.
- Future — info is more relevant in the B Geary line than here. If it becomes a BRT line, sure, but that's still in the committee stage and no one knows if it will ever be built (WP:CRYSTAL).
- Schedule — wholly unencyclopedic information
- Everything else — in List of San Francisco Municipal Railway lines.
- Also, about your comment about this fitting into "a distinctive quality," note that the part that comes after it is also important: "among all bus lines in the world." The 38 line in no way fits this category. —Kurykh 21:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- As mentioned above, there's plenty of room for verifiable expansion for all of those sections. You only AfD'd this within 20 hours of its creation [1]. Wikipedia is a never ending process and it takes time, sometimes alot, for articles to improve. --Oakshade 22:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- I did take future expansion into account. Perhaps this was a bit too fast, but I really can't see any mode of further expansion beyond a simple bus line. If you have any, then by all means propose. I'm willing to be persuaded. —Kurykh 22:11, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- As mentioned above, there's plenty of room for verifiable expansion for all of those sections. You only AfD'd this within 20 hours of its creation [1]. Wikipedia is a never ending process and it takes time, sometimes alot, for articles to improve. --Oakshade 22:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- The boulevard's notability does not translate into the bus line's notability (or lack thereof). One might as well say that the 30-Stockton line is important because it connects Caltrain to Chinatown (btw, it's also the slowest bus line in the city). —Kurykh 20:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep This is the only bus route in the San Francisco Municipal Railway that has its notability in Geary Boulevard and in the B Geary article, so this gives the article a little in-depth. I've lived in this city for 14 years, and the 38 Geary is one of the busiest routes in the system, and people should get the chance to know the history of the route. That's why there's the B Geary article. Why don't you do that? -Goodshop 00:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep This really is a major route, as important as any subway line or municipal railway line. Though we do not include every bus route, some are notable, such as this one. DGG (talk) 00:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment That's true. In fact, the reason why I created it on the first place is because it had the B Geary article, and why don't you go after that? Because it is planned infastructure, and this is current infastructure. (To clarify, go to WP:NOT or WP:CRYSTAL.) -Goodshop 00:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- I am sufficiently persuaded, and hence withdraw the nom. But your last sentence misinterprets my words and uses the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. —Kurykh 02:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment That's true. In fact, the reason why I created it on the first place is because it had the B Geary article, and why don't you go after that? Because it is planned infastructure, and this is current infastructure. (To clarify, go to WP:NOT or WP:CRYSTAL.) -Goodshop 00:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
