Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/24 season 6 episodes

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus defaulting to "keep". I am not persuaded by the arguments that individual episodes are not notable: how then could they be awarded Emmy Awards? I also understand that this is a work in progress, in common with most of Wikipedia, and that older seasons will be brought into line. The delete arguments mostly appear to amount to "smash them all" which is hardly in the spirit of constructing an encyclopedia. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 10:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1:00PM-2:00PM (24 season 6), 2:00PM-3:00PM (24 season 6), 3:00PM-4:00PM (24 season 6), 4:00PM-5:00PM (24 season 6), 5:00PM-6:00PM (24 season 6), 6:00PM-7:00PM (24 season 6), 6:00PM-7:00PM (24 season 6), 7:00PM-8:00PM (24 season 6), 8:00PM-9:00PM (24 season 6), 9:00PM-10:00PM (24 season 6), 10:00PM-11:00PM (24 season 6), 11:00PM-12:00AM (24 season 6)

Virtually no content in any of these articles. Z388 18:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep - no deletion reason provided; being blank is just a argumentum ad ignorantiam, all the pages listed above will have content by the 17th of April, seems illogical to delete them. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 18:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Standard episode pages about to be filled in. - Peregrine Fisher 19:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep for practicality. It's not worth deleting them all to be recreated gradually (count this as ignoring rules if someone says this is crystalballery). Trebor 19:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, per above. dposse 20:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep notable enough, once the episodes will air. In my opinion it's stupid to create these pages before the eps are aired, it will only encourage these kinds of nominations though. Still once they are there, no reason to delete them. TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 20:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - these articles are pointless - other articles have separate articles for episodes because each episode is a self-contained story. 24 is different as each episode is part of a single series-long story. These are episode articles for the sake of it - i.e. just created because other shows have them. (Same applies to all 24 episodes). -- Chuq 21:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete / maybe merge, per Chuq and other concerns. While I'm usually not a fan of individual episode articles anyways, Chuq is right in that the unique nature of 24 makes these types of articles just stupid (even if you love episode articles, why organize the plot summary like this?). This same logic can be applied to the reason I normally (but certainly not always) discourage individual episode articles, the individual episodes are not independently notable nor do they need to be split for page size concerns. It's this kind of preemptive article creation that leads to the massive misconception about episode articles. WP:NOT#IINFO #7, we are not plot summaries, and other uses of plot summary don't need this kind of formatting. It's being done just because that's what someone did for other episode articles. These episodes, aired or not, shouldn't be formatted this way, even if you like episode articles. -- Ned Scott 23:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I just noticed that no other season of 24 has episode articles, they instead use season articles. I'm thinking this has had to come up for discussion before in the other five seasons.. -- Ned Scott 00:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 14:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all' - I propose that we create season articles instead of individual episode articles. As others have said, episode articles don't really work for 24, and a single season episode which contains the whole season plot plus any other relevant information would be much better and easier to follow for readers. Jayden54 15:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Per the Season 1-5 article pages for 24, which indicate that there's a strong way for the entire season to be covered within the scope of one article. Individual episodes are non-notable and might make reading a jarring, unpleasant experience. Cheers, Lankybugger 15:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all per Jayden54 and Ned Scott. If articles are kept, rename to titles that people are actually likely to search for. A Train take the 16:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete If the other seasons do not have episode articles, we don't need them for this season. I support a season article and maybe a link to the 24 Wiki could be provided. The 24 Wiki has episode articles for every episode between Day 1: 12:00am-1:00am to Day 6 11:00am-12:00pm and probably beyond that as well. --Barinade2151 16:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as per all reasons given above. Having these makes even less sense for 24 than it does for other series Madmedea 17:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge into a Season 6 article to stay in-step with the rest of the articles on this subject, unless there is a compelling reason why Season 6 warrants this treatment. Arakunem 17:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Creator Comment While I of course would hate to see my articles deleted, I do understand they need content. Content which hasn't been provided yet, via Fox. I do believe that we need individual articles to cover each episode. One reason would be the spoiler, some people may want to only read one episode. Second, usually the episodes are covered a bit more in-depth; and you shouldn't really pile them into one larger article. External links to the 24 wiki, while nice, discredit what we are here to provide. One large source of information, to research and look things up. Somitho 17:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
    External inks to the 24 wiki don't discredit us.. If anything it helps us by directing editors to the proper place for high level of plot detail. As for the spoiler concern, that's pretty much nabbed in the ass by us not being censored. (Although I do think it is acceptable to write plot summary in a chronological sense. For example: "Jimmy went to the mall, is ok" but " Jimmy, who later died, went to the mall" is needless.) -- Ned Scott 01:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete All - articles can be created if they make sense after they have aired or have some semblance of actual content. In any case, the structure of the show doesn't lend itself to episode article anyways. -- Whpq 18:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all per WP:FICT. A season summary (when supported by independent sources, not by Fox broadcasting the episodes) is plenty. Episode articles are excessive detail for encyclopedic coverage and fall within what Wikipedia is not. Barno 19:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete All per other arguments to that affect. Soltak | Talk 23:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete All No guarantee that people will actually write in these articles, and having an article with no content "just to be filled in" is crystal ballery. Hobbeslover talk/contribs 04:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - I agree that episode articles are rarely a good idea and even on shows like The Simpsons you just end up with a plot summary and a ridiculous trivia section.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 07:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all since the episodes have not yet aired, and essentially there's nothing we can say about them other than existence. I've never watched the show and so can't speak to the wider issue of if individual episode articles make sense for 24; while I'm generally in favor of episode articles, I see that Category:24 (TV series) episodes does not contain anything for seasons 1-4. BryanG(talk) 23:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep No point deleting them when they will all just be recreated gradually after each episode airs.-PassionoftheDamon 01:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Except that they won't.. we've been using season articles instead of individual articles for the past five seasons. -- Ned Scott 05:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
No, you haven't. I know, because i wrote the episodes articles for the past three seasons while the episode was airing. It was only months later before someone decided to remove them. dposse 12:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Individual articles like this is not appropriate encyclopedical content. In fact I suggest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:FAN is referred to on this and all the 24 articles. Whilst yes a popular programme, each hour does not deserve an individual article. One 24 article outlining the plot and outcomes would be sufficient--PrincessBrat 15:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
    • comment - They are appropriate in a television encyclopedia, which is one of the many things that wikipedia is. - Peregrine Fisher 16:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment To delete these articles but keep separate articles for countless other shows, even those with a sequential plot, would be inconsistent to say the least. If the consensus turns out to be to delete these, then it should be applied to the hundreds of other articles like these for dozens of other series'. Goodnightmush 04:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete individual episodes are not inherently notable. /Blaxthos 00:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete but merge into an overall summary etc Whilding87 19:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per reasons stated by others in favor of keeping --IvanKnight69 01:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • keep I like this format, it is easier to read. Also no reason to delete later articles just to later re-create them. Superbowlbound 03:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I think the intention of many of the "Delete all" votes here is that this applies to 24 episodes in general, not just un-aired ones. -- Chuq 07:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.