Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2007 Estonian unrest

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. There is no policy-based reason to delete either article: a redirect would be just fine. I believe consensus here is that Bronze Soldier of Tallinn is the main article and that this should be merged there. Some think a rename is appropriate, but there isn't consensus (although it wasn't the topic of debate). There is a merge request underway, let it take its course. I think this debate has only established that the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn article is the "main" article, which means that one of two results should be chosen: either (1) the articles should be merged there, or (2) the coverage of the unrest should remain in a separate article but have an appropriately short summary in the main article per WP:SUMMARY.

A reminder: because of the GFDL, it is not allowed to "merge and delete." Mangojuice^talk 15:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2007 Estonian unrest

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletions. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 03:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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We cannot have two different articles competing with the same updates. I've now pulled the emergency break. How can we solve this problem? What do you think? Camptown 09:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering about the reason for the creation of this page. From what I can see right now, it has created a situation where both pages have most of the same info but aren't updated at the same rate. If you trully want to make this page the centrepiece, you should move most of the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn article here, including all of the sections about the reason for this unrest. Esn 07:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete: I think this article should be deleted as soon as possible, and all updates take place at the main article: Bronze Soldier of Tallinn. --Camptown 08:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge & Delete - I believe this is a case of Recentism I agree if should be merged with the main article (and then this entry deleted). -- Rehnn83 ^Talk 08:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge and Delete This article is just a duplication and very confusing. We now have a situation with updates taking place on two different articles covering the same topic. Important developments are expected within the next few days. Let Bronze Soldier of Tallinn article remain the sole and only article for that. Bondkaka 08:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep, it's notable separately. —Nightstallion (?) 09:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge & Delete now - if there will be further unrest, the article can be restarted, perhaps with a more appropriate name, though. DLX 10:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge and Delete - No point in having to observe two articles for provocations and false statements. Also it is easyer to update one page. Suva 10:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep like nightstallion --TheFEARgod (Ч) 10:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Delete - one article is good enough. We can rename the article Bronze Soldier of Tallinn into Bronze Soldier Controversy, if necessary. 193.40.5.245 11:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

conditionally Merge and redirect, provided that all aspects of the "unrests" can be covered on the "statue" article. - The unrests are too much related to symbolism, that it cannot be covered alone. If new unrests start, then we should reconsider. Aslo, we should closely follow the issue around the clamed "Army of Russian Resistance". If this is real, it merits its own article. -- Petri Krohn 12:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge and Delete and Rename to "Bronze Soldier Controversy" and redirect both current pages to it - as said, its pointless to update and revert vandalism on the same info on 2 different pages.--Haigejobu 15:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup, Rename to 2007 Estonian riots and move relevant information out of Bronze Soldier which should be article purely on monument Borism 11:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment - I feel that renaming or creating an article on 2007 Estonian riots or Bronze Soldier Controversy is effectivly a keep. I believe the question should be does the current situation regarding the Statue warrant a seperate article? Or (as I suggested above) Is it a case of Recentism and should detauls of the current unrest/situation be included in the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn article? -- Rehnn83 ^Talk 14:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge and redirect --(Ptah, the El Daoud 23:23, 1 May 2007 (UTC))

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 12:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep and remove the unrest details from the article about the monument. Bronze Soldier of Tallinn should be an article about a monument and piece of art, not about the unrest. This article should cover the unrests which might and if so, the monument does not play a role in them anymore. --213.155.224.232 19:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete for now. With an article that's getting edited every few minutes, and with the stories of the statue and the controversy surrounding it linked in so many places, I feel that it is NOT currently possible to maintain a consistent line of separation between these two articles. And if we don't do that, what we get is a whole heap of duplicate information, and editors are tasked with the huge task of checking both pages to see if one of them has something that the other doesn't. I propose that for the next couple of weeks, at least, we keep everything about this story in one place. Once the dust has settled, then we can look at ways to logically break it up into separate articles. With the article changing so quickly, it is impossible to have a discussion about the best way to break it up. By the time we've finished discussing, the article and the situation will have changed and the discussion would be irrelevant. Esn 07:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  09:18, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. For Estonians and Russians is this cause very important. I do not know why to delete it when so much people and even governments are talking about it. References also exist; many news sites are still bringing new informations about this. --Aktron (t|c) 16:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - duplicates the article Bronze Soldier of Tallinn, besides 2007 isn't finished yet. Martintg 00:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.