Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/سنابل المحبة

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] سنابل_المحبة

• Strong Delete. Nonsense. Nobody who speaks English understands what it means. Georgia guy 00:41, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete No english or formatting at all here. Wrong wiki?--Andeh 00:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Here is what we know about the page (from WP:PNT):

It's Arabic. I have no idea what it is about though. I think the title transliterates as "Sanâbal Al-mahabi" --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 23:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't quite understand why this page has to go to AfD before spending the standard two week grace period at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English, though. Kusma (討論) 00:53, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• delete no matter whether the contents is worth being translated, there's no reason for an English article with this title Deleteme42 00:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • That is not a reason for deletion, Wikipedia has a "move" function that allows editors to rename pages. See WP:MOVE. Kusma (討論) 00:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Move to what? As far as I've seen at Wikipedia:Pages_needing_translation_into_English, someone has guessed the language of this article but noone seems to have the slightest knowledge what it's actually about. But let's continue this discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Pages_needing_translation_into_English#What_is_this_good_for?. Deleteme42 01:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment give it a few more days at WP:PNT, and if no one can come up with a reasonable translation then bring it back here. I'm guessing that's what will likely happen -- Samir धर्म 01:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I can also add that Arabic wikipedia does not have an article on it [1] -- Samir धर्म 01:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I'll try to find somebody who speaks Arabic and ask them to translate this and to decide whether to transwiki this to the Arab wikipedia. Kusma (討論) 01:53, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep for now. The article should go through the full two weeks. From what I can tell from a cursory search, it's about a Christian church in Damascus, perhaps related to this guy. At this point, I have no idea if it's notable or not. ScottW 01:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment here's a google translation: [2] -- Samir धर्म 01:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The task force supports the idea of hiding love openness to the rest of the difference. Brilliant! --Lambiam^Talk 17:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• COMMENT this seems to be about: Church of St John Damascene (Abu Rumana) 132.205.45.148 02:45, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Does Rumana translate to pomegranate? That was what I was getting. Regardless, in any language, I'm not finding many references. However, I still think this article needs to go through the standard translation period before deletion. ScottW 03:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Based on a Google translation this article appears to be about a church youth group. If that's correct, then it's presumably non-notable. Delete it without transwikiing, since there's no reason to believe that the Arabic Wikipedia would want it either. --Metropolitan90 03:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment the nominator is trying to make a WP:POINT. The page should be allowed to live it's two week life on the WP:PNT list and then, it if it's neither translated or notable, be listed per the guidlines for deletion. Translation is not instantaneous and it often takes some sleuting... Anyway, the Church itself is quite notable and the youth group that's mentioned here would be well placed as mention or subsection of an article on an article about the chuch. [3] [4] --Kunzite 04:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Leave it for its two week translation period and then we'll see. If it's not translated by then then out it goes as per policy. Ben W Bell talk 07:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Which policy listed at Wikipedia:List of policies are you talking about? Deleteme42 12:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Okay Policy is too strong a word, but the translation template gives the article two weeks so deleting it before seems unfair. Ben W Bell talk 21:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• Question Is it policy that articles needing translation stay at WP:PNT for two weeks? If so then maybe it would be best to close this discussion until the article is translated or the two week period expires. I realize that the end of the two weeks and the end of this AfD nomination overlap. However, any comments in this discussion are just speculation on what the article might be about. ScottW 08:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It is not policy, it is just the way we happen to handle things, because it seems to work. The number of foreign language pages we get is small enough that extra policy for them would IMO be m:Instruction creep. Kusma (討論) 17:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete unless translated soon. Xyrael ^T 09:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless translated. If translated, move the page to an English name and delete the non-English title.--Jusjih 10:37, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - from what little I can determine it's about a Christian group with 150 members - Peripitus 14:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment - rough translation on the page now - definately not notable and probable copyvio from [sanabelz.com/ ]- Peripitus 00:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

So it's a Catholic elementary school or something of the sort? Then I say delete, although it would have been nice to let this go through the full process before having this discussion. ScottW 01:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

• And more specifically a scouting group. --Lambiam^Talk 17:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, assuming good faith in both Peripitus and Lambiam, the article does not need the 2 weeks at Pages needing translation. -- ReyBrujo 23:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - nonsense to me :-) —Mets501^talk 04:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - A better translation (which I am not going to do per Peripitus et al and number 2 below) would reveal that it is not nonsense, the Arabic is very well written. The title, سنابل المحبة, the best I can tell = "Sanabel, the beloved", (the name of the school as confirmed just now by visiting the school's website) 1) The "rough translation" is indeed very rough, but it is not totally inaccurate. 2) No need to wait on PNT, 150 students = very non-notable school, in any language. --Easter Monkey 02:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Easter Monkey. Kusma (討論) 13:24, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Would a move to an English title be better? Hong Qi Gong 17:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• I'd say no, it would end up on AfD under the English title as well. Did some more research, I agree with Peripitus, probable copyvio. The Arabic text is a cut and paste from here, the title of the text on that site, "تاريــــــخ الــفــــرقــــــــــة" = "history of the group (team, outfit, etc.)" and is a posting on the online forum on the site. --Easter Monkey 01:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

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