Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/İQTElif

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —Kurykh 00:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] İQTElif

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This looks like original research: an alphabet for the Tatar language that was developed by User:Ultranet and not used but anyone except himself. The source points to Ultranet's own website. Searching Google for İQTElif finds only copies of Wikipedia articles and mailing lists archives of Free Software such as GNOME with proposals to translate them into Tatar using İQTElif. The article does seem to have some useful and sourced information about the phonology of the Tatar languages, but i cannot verify it myself. Any such useful information (if it is really correct) should be merged into other articles about the Tatar language, but this article should not exist. If you can read Russian, see also the discussion at the Russian Wikipedia: ru:Обсуждение:Татарский алфавит#İQTElif - ОРИСС?. Amir E. Aharoni 07:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. This may have been invented by the user who created the article, but it does seem to be in actual use. Some computer software has been localised using it ([1] [2] [3]), and is used by at least some linguists with an interest in Tatar language ([4]). JulesH 09:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The linguist you cited doesn't use it for linguistic work. She just gives an example of the famous "All human beings are born free" quote from the UN declaration in both Zamanälif and İQTElif. She most probably copied it from Omniglot, which used to have several Tatar alphabets. But now Omniglot shows only Zamanälif, which is the most common Latinization of Tatar, while İQTElif was deleted from Omniglot because nobody uses it.

The existence of an extension that translates Mozilla to İQTElif doesn't mean that anyone actually uses this extension. And the KDE link points to a Yahoo group with nothing but a welcome message.

Also note that all the localization efforts are done by one "Reshat Sabiq". Most probably Reshat Sabiq and Ultranet are the same person (Google "reshat ultranet"). It seems that his contributions to Free Software are more that İQTElif localizations, which is commendable, but i don't think that it means that İQTElif deserves a mention in Wikipedia. (The texts about Tatar phonology that he contributed possibly do have a place in Wikipedia, but i don't know enough Tatar to check their correctness myself.) --Amir E. Aharoni 10:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. The author is an (amateur) linguist who created a (pretty good) alphabet for the Tatar language. But the alphabet is not used in Tatarstan or anywhere else. (Note the absence of any Ukrainian sources). It is an amateur proposal, but since it has not been proposed formally, there is no campaign to implement it, and the author himself is non-notable, it does not belong on Wikipedia. It's just one of hundreds of writing systems invented by language geeks (I plead guilty to this too...), and yes, many of them create and publish fonts, add-ons, etc. Omniglot [5] is the place where such writing systems should be published. --Targeman 13:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete The creator of the alphabet and the creator of the article is/are very clever people. But Wikipedia is not a site for oroginal research to be published, and a made up alphabet used primarily by one writer is not something which should have an article, due to failure to satisfy WP:N and WP:A. Edison 15:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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