Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Éire Óg (band)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as failing WP:BIO and WP:RS. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Éire Óg (band)

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This band is argued by a few fans to be notable, but there is no independent evidence to support that. It is easy to confuse support for the band's politics (their music is political in nature) with their actual notability as a band. It is stated that they mainly played pubs and clubs, which is certainly consistent. Some political pub singers become significant (Billy Bragg, for example) but most do not break out of a small closed world. Gary Óg has just been deleted as a repost per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Og Guy (Help!) 11:25, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - per nom: ghits are plentiful but seem mostly unrelated, and as matters currently stand the article fails WP:ATT and WP:RS: no reliable non-trivial independant sources, no article. Little assertion of notability. Moreschi Request a recording? 11:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

*Support delete nomination: Sorry I didn't think of it myself; too bad I made Éire Óg (band) the redirect page for Gary Óg, but that's fixable.Jill Teed 11:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep and improve - has someone deleted material out of this article there used to be a lot more in it (I am sure of it). The band may not have chart success but they are not that type of band. Given a chance I am sure an editor could produce a lot of material for this article. I for one have two of their "reedorded live" albums.--Vintagekits 13:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --Guinnog 15:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment, can I just point out that the Eire Og band support Irish republicanism and Celtic FC and that there maybe me a number of Scottish/Loyalist/Unionist or Rangers supporters who may come on here and vote to delete on a WP:IDONTLIKEIT basis.--Vintagekits 15:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment, can I just point out that the Eire Og band support Irish republicanism and Celtic FC and that there maybe me a number of Irish/Republican or Celtic supporters who may come on here and vote to keep on a WP:ILIKEIT basis. *Sigh*, some good faith wouldn't go amiss.-- Rockpocket 20:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment As I already pointed out to Vk on his talk page, my "delete" was based more on WP:BAND than on WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Hats off to Vk for the improvements, but it still looks way non-notable to me. --Guinnog 20:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I genuinely dont care if the article is deleted but I have now outlined below the sections of WP:BAND which they do satisfy. I defy Gunniog or Rocket to state that the band were not well known to them before this AfD.--Vintagekits 10:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Never heard of them before this AfD. Rockpocket 16:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment, interesting comment - I thought you were a Celtic supporter - have you even been down the Barras?--Vintagekits 16:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kungfuadam (talk • contribs) 15:13, 5 April 2007
  • Comment - I wasnt listed before but is the previous AfD I have also now added some references and detail for it should conform now.--Vintagekits 15:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Éire Óg may not have a large Internet presence, but they are well known within the trad and rebel music scene throughout Ireland and Scotland. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 16:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Great - so add the sources that prove it. Guy (Help!) 17:35, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - not sure in that is true - they seem to satisfy #3 and #6 under Criteria for musicians and ensembles and #3 and #4 under Other within WP:BAND no?!?--Vintagekits 10:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. No. I see no reliable sources that supports any of these claims. Fanzines, listings and Pro-republican websites do not satisfy WP:RS. Rockpocket 16:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as per Pauric comment above.--padraig3uk 17:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep after improvements from Vintagekits, meets criterion 6 from WP:BAND. One Night In Hackney303 19:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
    Comment. "...the most prominent representative of a notable style"? Any sources for that? Because other than listings pages and fanzines, all I see is an anonymous (and extremely amateurish) CD review on a website promoting Irish music, much of which has been lifted to provide the information in the article. Some reliable sources would be nice to verify such a claim. Rockpocket 20:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
    That is an indication that a group may be notable, the primary notability criterion is multiple non-trivial sources independent of the subject - in this case we have at most one such source, most are either directories or blatantly unreliable. Guy (Help!) 17:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep - They were pretty ubiquitous (their posters used to be plastered on every flat surface in north London) on the Kilburn/Glasgow/Belfast up-the-provos scene (torrent of abuse to the usual place on my talk page, please) but at the moment the article's hopelessly biased. All credit to the writer for keeping the albums on a single page instead of insisting on a separate page for every release, though. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 20:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

*Keep as per Pauric. Dwain 21:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.