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In ranking the Top 100 Marquette players of all time, I had to flash back to my freshman Spring semester. I thought I’d gotten pretty dominant on the rec center court. At the same time I was critical of our varsity team, which had struggled that season living in the shadow of the National Championship seven years earlier.
My illusions of grandeur were quickly destroyed when five of the varsity players - Mandy Johnson, Robert Hall, Herb Harrison, Willie Hines and Tom Copa – called “next” game and beat us 16-0 by ones in about 4 minutes. I’m not sure we completed a pass – and I know we didn’t get a shot off. Of those five only Tom makes my Top 100, but my point is that even the other 500-plus former Marquette players like Mandy, Robert, Herb and Willie are GREAT. The top 100 are truly significant in the history of our great University.
The following are the players I rank as the 76th through 100th “greatest” players in Marquette history. I awarded points for greatness in three categories that are explained below, represented by the three numbers that add up to the underlined “total greatness points.” The first figure is for great statistics, the 2nd is for their pro career or draft, and the third is a subjective measure of their impact on the Marquette program. These three categories are explained below – but first, the list:
76. Dave Delsman (1973, 74, 75) 1+0+11 = 12 total greatness points. Notes: guard off bench for 1974 National Runners-up
77. Robert Byrd (1977, 78, 79, 80) 1+3+8 = 12 total greatness points. Notes: Drafted by Chicago in 7th round, backup on National champs freshman year
78. Lazar Hayward (2007) 6+0+5 = 11 total greatness points. Notes: 11.6 ppg/4.8 rpg has us off to a great start in 2007-08 – obviously current players ultimate rankings will go up or down based on if this year’s No. 10 ranked squad makes a run in the tournament
79. Brad Luchini (1966, 67, 68) 4+1+6 = 11 total greatness points. Notes: Drafted in 11th round by Milwaukee as hometown favorite, 7th in school history FT percentage at 81.1%.
80. Ernie Kukla (1933, 34, 35) 4+0+6 = 10 total greatness points. Notes: 3 sport start in 1930s, and center on the 1934 team that beat 5 of 6 Big Ten teams and finished 14-3
81. Bill Neary (1973, 75, 76, 77) 3+0+7 = 10 total greatness points. Notes: Marquette's 1977 National champ reserve
82. Terry Sanders (2001, 02, 03, 04) 2+0+8 = 10 total greatness points. Notes: backed up Wade for Final Four team in 2003 – gets credit for being his opponent in practices for two years
83. Jim Dudley (1977, 78, 79) 1+0+9 = 10 total greatness points. Notes: Marquette's 1977 National champ reserve
84. Dwayne Johnson (1982, 83, 84) 6+0+3 = 9 total greatness points. Notes: Over 1,000 points at Marquette
85. David Cubillan (2006, 07) 4+0+5 = 9 total greatness points. Notes: loved him as a freshman last year for incredible defensive pressure, and averaging 9.6 ppg out of the gates this year
86. Ed Daniels (1973, 74) 3+0+6 = 9 total greatness points. Notes: guard backing Washington and Walton on NCAA runners-up
87. Brian Nyenhuis (1981, 82) 3+3+2 = 8 total greatness points. Notes: Drafted by Detroit in 7th round, 6-foot-10 center transferred from UWM for last two years
88. Odell Ball (1978, 79) 3+3+2 = 8 total greatness points. Notes: Drafted by Denver in 6th round
89. Walter Downing (1985, 86) 3+3+2 = 8 total greatness points. Notes: Drafted by Los Angeles in 6th round
90. Jack Nagle (1939, 40) 1+0+7 = 8 total greatness points. Notes: Played two years, then coached Marquette to its first Elite 8 in 1955, before eventually leaving to run the CBA and scout for NBA teams
91. William Gates (1992, 93, 95) 0+0+8 = 8 total greatness points. Notes: Injured knee kept him from his promising career, but “Hoop Dreams” is still my favorite movie ever and the testimony it gave to how great the Marquette experience is couldn't have had a better advertisement
92. Chris Grimm (2003, 04, 05, 06) 0+2+6 = 8 total greatness points. Notes: NCAA Final Four 2003 team, played some off the bench as 6-10 center, and played overseas in pros
93. Vic Lazzaretti (1983, 84) 5+0+2 = 7 total greatness points. Notes: This 6-foot-8 center forward was an animal cutting to the basket and fighting inside, with 12 ppg/10 rpg his senior year on 70% FG shooting
94. Odartey Blankson (2001, 02) 5+0+2 = 7 total greatness points. Notes: 6-7 forward had two strong years and could have ranked very high if he had not transferred to UNLV and missed Final 4 run
95. Greg Clausen (1998, 1999, 2000, 01) 3+0+4 = 7 total greatness points. Notes: 6-11 Center played a bit, and later in CBA
96. John Cliff (1997, 98, 99, 2000) 3+0+4 = 7 total greatness points. Notes: 3-point shooter off bench, with 102 of 308 career mark from beyond the arc
97. Raymond Eckstein (1944, 45) 2+0+5 = 7 total greatness points. Notes: I couldn't find stats from the mid-1940s, but any former Marquette player who is successful enough to donate $51 million to the school gets good credit for his impact on the school
98. Abel Joseph (1994, 95, 97, 98) 0+0+7 = 7 total greatness points. Notes: 6-9 forward off bench most games and Sweet 16 team as freshman
99. Dave Erickson (1961, 62, 63) 0+4+3 = 7 total greatness points. Notes: Drafted by Detroit in 4th round
100. Nick Williams (2008) 0+0+6 = 6 total greatness points. Notes: I live in Alabama so I'm biased toward Leflore High School's 6-foot-4 prep guard Nick Williams (Mobile, AL), who is coming to MU next year and was just named the 1st player of the week by the Press-Register for averaging over 27 ppg in 3 games including a double-double. The next great Golden Eagle I hope! Gets a bonus for coming to MU after leading Bama to a state title, and being on track for another title after a 120-22 win to improve to 6-0 this year.
If a player ranked among the greatest in one of the three areas mentioned above, I assigned them between 1 and 15 points in that category. Then I added all three rankings to get a total number of “greatness points” to determine this top 100.
1. STATISTICAL CATEGORY. The first number is the “statistical” number that represents the points, rebounds, steals, blocked shots and assists the player put up at Marquette. If I had based these rankings purely on the numbers, 3-year stars Don Kojis and George Thompson would rank at the top of the list, followed closely by 4-year stars like Jim McIlvaine and Tony Smith. This system may be the simplest – a center who scores 15 points and grabs 8 rebounds a game, is going to rank ahead of a center who averages 10 points and 4 rebounds over the same number of games. There are certainly many great, steady performers who would have made this top 100 if I had based this purely on stats, but I weighted two other categories as equally important.
2. DOMINANT PLAYER CATEGORY. The second number measures how “dominant” a player proved to be. Based on this category, the guys who dominated in the NBA, led by Dwayne Wade, Maurice Lucas and Doc Rivers, would rank at the top, followed by the other 27 Marquette players who went on to play in the NBA, and then the players who were drafted but didn’t make their NBA team, and those who played in Europe or the CBA. If the Detroit Pistons decided Dave Erickson looked good enough at Marquette to be drafted in the 4th round, then he obviously had some real ability to dominate – so he makes the list at No. 99.
3. POSITIVE IMPACT CATEGORY. The third number represents how much “positive impact” the player had on Marquette’s program. Some starters from weaker Marquette teams are not in the Top 100 even though they have better stats than Terry Sanders and Ed Daniels. However, if those starters would have been reserves as well behind the backcourts of Wade-Diener (2003) and Washington-Walton (1974). Sanders and Daniels played key roles on those Final Four teams, drilling these great guards day after day in practice and filling in when they needed rests or got in foul trouble.
Based on this third criteria, Bo Ellis is clearly the greatest player in Marquette history. Only Bo was a star on the 1974 National runner-up as a freshman, AND a star as a senior on the 1977 National Championship team. He was the most important player in Marquette history. After that, I give credit to players who helped get teams to the Final Four (2003), Elite 8 (8 teams), NIT title (1970), then Sweet 16 (1979, 1994).
Four other players make the list for having a positive impact either BEFORE or AFTER they were done playing. I gave points to Raymond Eckstein for what he did 60 years AFTER playing for Marquette - contributing $51 million to the school last year. Jack Nagle gets credit for coming back after his playing days to coach Marquette to its first Elite 8, and then serving as President of the CBA to put Marquette in the middle of the basketball universe. On the other hand, 6-foot-4 prep star Nick Williams gets credit for his impact BEFORE playing his first game at Marquette. Nick Williams may have opened a Southern recruiting pipeline for Tom Crean by signing with Marquette after winning the Alabama state title as a junior last year. And then there is William Gates …
The greatest subjective boost the program has gotten beyond championships is from Gates.
How do you measure the impact of the movie “Hoop Dreams” against wins and losses? Early in the movie – which I believe is the greatest documentary ever in addition to being my favorite movie of all time – we see Gates as a prep sophomore leading his team to the Illinois Final Four. When watching Gates exploding down the court, then defying gravity and twirling 360-degrees in the air to softly bank a shot off the glass, we would all assume he would end up piling up his “greatness points” for big numbers for his future statistics at Marquette and in the NBA.
And then Hoop Dreams becomes a tragedy. A knee injury and other personal developments keep Gates from his greatness on the courts at Marquette and the NBA. However, how much did it help the program for kids to watch Coach Kevin O’Neill refuse to give up on Gates, as he gives his parents straight talk in their inner city home in Chicago? How much did it say to potential Marquette recruits who are so often discarded by programs to watch how O’Neill and Marquette took care of Gates, kept him on scholarship even while going to the Sweet 16 with him unable to play in 1994?
Our friends at that other Catholic school with the gold helmets can cry when Rudy gets on the field to tackle the Georgia Tech quarterback in his last game. The best cry I get when watching a movie is when Gates limps onto the prep school gym to practice while his voice over says, “All my life, everyone has told me not to forget them when I make the NBA. Sometimes I want to say, ‘Don’t YOU forget me if I don’t.” Seeing him in the Marquette gold at the end of the movie is an ultimate moment of triumph.
William Gates may have never realized his dream of making the NBA, but his place in history will be immortalized in Hoop Dreams long after most NBA stars are forgotten, and for that he belongs on the list of the greatest Marquette players of all time.
John Pudner, Journalism ’88, was Editorial Editor and then News Editor for the Marquette Tribune. He was named top sports news writer in Virginia in 1991 while working for the Charlottesville Observer and wrote a weekly column on his rankings of baseball pitchers for the New York Post before leaving journalism for a career in politics and government affairs.
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