User talk:Artintegrated

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Hi...looks like you caught me just before I attempted a bit of late-night editing.

As I recall, there was an issue of notability. Another editor felt that the subject wasn't notable enough and tagged it as such after (hopefully) determining that the "Google test" came back with few hits. I merely kept it from being recreated after an edit war looked to be breaking out. It wasn't a judgement on my part.

I'll go ahead and unblock the title. My suggestion is that you do your best to establish notability with lists of major works, exhibits and the like. This way, it's likely to remain. Thanks for being a good sport and have fun. - Lucky 6.9 06:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

  • You're good to go. I unblocked the title and deleted the page so that you can start on a clean slate. - Lucky 6.9 06:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


I will def work harder but it being an artist page it is hard to not be just a lister you know like a laundry list. How many google hits would I need there are at least 400 pages on this guy

The layout may have scared some editors. It looks like a vanity piece. I'll see what I can do, but it'll need a major overhaul. - Lucky 6.9 06:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Copyright concerns

In your versions (September 2006) of Julie Moos appeared some text that also appears verbatim in this article (about an exhibition held in 2002 and presumably written and uploaded in 2002). This looks to me like copying. There was no clear sign (e.g. via the combination of quotation marks and a footnote) that the text had been copied; this in turn looks to me like a copyright violation. Actually there is no need to describe Agee or "Let Us Now Praise Famous Men" as both have their own WP articles, so instead of rewriting this I simply cut it.

In future, please don't copy from elsewhere unless you scrupulously label the copying (and of course also adhere to principles of "fair use", etc.). Thank you. -- Hoary 07:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

On this edit of yours (as well as a number of others): Please avoid external links within the main text.

Imaginary example: If we're writing up Cornell Capa and are dealing with his remarkable family, and if his obscure [actually, fictitious] brother Marmaduke Capa doesn't yet have his own WP article, then we don't write:

Capa's brothers [[Robert Capa|Robert]] and [http://obscurephotographers.com/mcapa/ Marmaduke] were both photographers.

We instead write

Capa's brothers [[Robert Capa|Robert]] and [[Marmaduke Capa|Marmaduke]] were both photographers.

This of course redlinks the latter. Do this if Marmaduke seems to deserve his own article and seems likely to get it. Or of course leave him unlinked:

Capa's brothers [[Robert Capa|Robert]] and Marmaduke were both photographers.

Or you can have the combination of

Capa's brothers [[Robert Capa|Robert]] and Marmaduke were both photographers.

and, within a list of external links near the end of the article:

* [http://obscurephotographers.com/mcapa/ Marmaduke Capa] (obscurephotographers.com)

Or you can use a note:

Capa's brothers [[Robert Capa|Robert]] and Marmaduke<ref>See [http://obscurephotographers.com/mcapa/ obscurephotographers.com] for Marmaduke.</ref> were both photographers.

You'll need to add <references /> somewhere below this for the note(s) to be rendered.

Please see WP:external links for more about external links. Thank you. -- Hoary 23:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

These look like reasonable suggestions for article improvement to me. --Orange Mike 06:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edit to Jon Coffelt

Your recent edit to Jon Coffelt was not only vandalism but a blatant violation of the expectations of civil discourse on Wikipedia. Such behavior can have consequences, and you are asked not to repeat it. --Orange Mike 06:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE : Hoffman

If I didn't think you could show notability, I'd have tagged the article for deletion. The tag is so any editor who sees the article can add more reliable sources and citations to prove it. Exxolon (talk) 23:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Judy Hoffman

There should be no reason why you are not able to edit Judy Hoffman that I can see. If you're getting an error message when you try and edit, I suggest you follow the instructions on the message to resolve it. Exxolon (talk) 18:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The 'notability' tag should not have had ANY effect on ANYONE's ability to edit the article or add information to it. Are you/your friend getting ANY kind of error message when you try to? Exxolon (talk) 22:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Try this link [1] - this will purge the page so the latest version is displayed. Exxolon (talk) 21:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Go to Wikipedia:New contributors' help page

I'm unable to help you with the problem you're having with the Judy Hoffman article - try asking here instead. Exxolon (talk) 02:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vanity Edit?

I am wondering about your addition of Ten Cubed gallery to the Second Life article. I'm unclear what about it warrants special mention. Yes, it is run by a RL gallerist, but many RL businesses have a SL presence. I've visited the gallery in-world and found nothing extraordinary about it. Why single it out among all the art galleries in SL? Be assured I am not questioning your integrity, but given your own admitted propensity for original research, I'm wondering if perhaps this isn't a vanity edit (see "Self-promotion" and "Close relationships", among others). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darguz Parsilvan (talk • contribs) 14:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The point is the question of its notability within the context of the SL article. In an article about Ten Cubed, certainly its SL presence would be worth mentioning. And, yes, as you say, it would most likely warrant mention on the SL Wiki, if there is a place there for such things, but this is not the SL Wiki. The fact that the owner knows you and asked you to write something, makes it sound more and more like a vanity edit. And, by your own admission, you have a tendency to lapse into original research. Don't get me wrong, it's a fine gallery, but there are thousands of fine galleries in SL; obviously they can't all be mentioned in the SL article. WP is not a promotional avenue. I have a friend who is preparing to open a gallery in SL. Her focus is on introducing artists to SL who are unfamiliar with it, and especially seeking out artists who have never been published or exhibited anywhere except their own personal web sites. A worthy (and as far as I know, unique) endeavor, to be sure, but not warranting a special mention in the SL article; and even if it were, being a personal friend of hers, I would likely leave it to someone else to do it.
I'm not sure what you mean, "...it was the first gallery to have a real life and second life opening on two continents...." I haven't checked, but I would imagine that many of the galleries in SL have an RL presence on more than one continent. Or are you saying that it opened in RL and SL at the same time? An interesting fact, to be sure, but still, not really worth a special mention in the SL article. When you consider that things such as the Ginko Financial collapse, which impacted thousands of Residents, or Anshe Chung, who has incited very widespread discussion and controversy, are not mentioned in the SL article, the question of the relevance of one single – admittedly nice – art gallery arises.
So, that's my point – nothing against Ten Cubed or yourself, only the question of its relevance within the context of the WP Second Life article. Darguz Parsilvan (talk) 12:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
In each of my posts, I've stated that I am not attacking you. As I said, the original research statement is by your own admission: "Artintegrated has a tendency to overextend information in some cases where Artintegrated has more knowledge or inside information." I have done my best to not be offensive in my posts, but if you choose to take offense, then so be it. You may have noticed that I have not removed your entry from the SL article; I'm hoping to discuss it intelligently with you first, so we can be in agreement on whether it should remain. As I said, we can't possibly list every SL gallery in the SL article; I'm just trying to figure out what makes this one significant enough to be mentioned. If things like Ginko and Anshe are not mentioned, why should this be? That's not a rhetorical question; I really do wish to know. And if this one gallery really is not that significant in the overall SL article, it's certainly nothing against you or against the gallery. Darguz Parsilvan (talk) 01:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] March 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added to the page Frank Lloyd Wright do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. You have repeatedly made this unsourced edit and added the same external link. Please discuss on the talk page before adding again. HokieRNB (talk) 23:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

She has a wiki article. Artintegrated (talk) 03:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
In that case, it shouldn't be too hard for you to find a WP:Reliable source and add this information in a way that doesn't put extraneous external links into the article text. HokieRNB (talk) 04:19, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] On Galt

Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, "I feel this person is quite notable" is not the standard on wikipedia for notability. I have restored the notice on the article until reliable, published, third-party sources can be found. I'm also interested that you seem concerned about me deleting something. I am not proposing to delete this article. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 11:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Your comment on my talk page makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not sure what gives you the impression that I have some sort of agenda to drive something or someone into the ground, and I have absolutely what you are referring to with the "yet again". To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time I've brought up for discussion the notability of a person, and once more than six months ago I questioned the notability of a nickname within an article. Surely you can't be referencing that? If Melissa Galt is truly that notable, then other editors will undoubtedly have something to add to the discussion. If not, then you are still welcome to find reliable, third party sources to establish her notability. In the meantime, please remember to WP:assume good faith. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 13:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi. You just took removed the notability tag on this article, stating in your edit summary "rewording for formality and notability issues", but so far as I can tell, you made no changes to the text nor to the references that would address these issues. I restored the tag. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 13:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi again. You are clearly "missing something about this notoriety issue". Please review the Wikipedia guidelines on notability as you try to "wrap [your] head around it." None of the people mentioned as keynote participants at opening of the Interior Design Society headquarters (Michelle Lamb, Lloyd Princeton, Mayer Rus, Thomas Burak, Jim Druckman, John Pujol, Andrew Limone, Margi Kyle, Sev Ritchie, and Debbie Green) are notable enough for a Wikipedia article without significant coverage by reliable secondary sources independent of themselves. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Update: Given the fact that no new reliable third party sources independent of the subject have been produced, I am now proposing to delete this article. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 18:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] On Brat Pack

I undid your recent edits because they were factually inaccurate. Mare Winningham and Elizabeth Perkins did not appear in The Outsiders. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 17:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I added Mare Winningham to the "close contributors" column for St. Elmo's Fire, but since Elizabeth Perkins does not appear in any reliable source that I could find as having been associated with the Brat Pack, I was unable to add her to the chart. If you do find such a source, then it would be appropriate to add her to that column, and to add From the Hip in which she starred with Judd Nelson to the "other movies" list. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 19:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Kudo's to you. Awesome Thank you Thank you. I will continue to do what I can to help with the Galt article. Thank you for your help with that and this brat pack article. Be well. Artintegrated (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Perkins was in "About Last night." Just found it on her article and not sure how to include it on the brat page. Artintegrated (talk) 21:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
See the talk page for why Elizabeth Perkins should not be added to the Brat Pack page until there is some source that associates her with the pack. For good reasons, the page does not list every co-star in every movie that every Brat Packer was ever in. Since the term refers to a group of actors who often collaborated on movies, any additions should be identified by a reliable source which actually cites a specific actor as being a part of the "Pack" or somehow associated with it. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 02:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I gotcha. Thanks Artintegrated (talk) 03:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)